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23191 [lbo-talk] Re: Bush to Announce Candidacy Any Day -- rank: 1000

BklynMagus wrote: >4. NAFTA, outsourcing of jobs, the non-existent economic recovery. For the first six years after NAFTA took effect, U.S. employment rose (even in manufacturing for the first four years) and real wages rose, reversing 22 years of stagnation and/or decline. NAFTA has been a pretty bad deal for Mexico, but the effects on the U.S. (and Canada) are much harder to measure - good or bad. Anyone have evidence to the contrary? Doug

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Date:	Wed Feb 18 09:48:04 PST 2004

23192 [lbo-talk] Aaronovitch: a rant -- rank: 1000

Simon Huxtable wrote: >David Aaronovitch Who is this guy? A bit after Wall Street came out, he wrote me, implying that we were fellow travellers of some sort. I never followed up on it, but later saw some of his prewar scribblings and wondered again who he was, and why he thought we had something in common. Doug

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23193 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >But I am really struggling to understand what that supposed majority on >this list actually mean by saying or implying when they position >themselves to the left of social democracy or by denouncing the >Democratic party as "treacherous" (of whom or what?). Seriously, folks, >what is it exactly that you want? Worker control of the means of production, of course! But I'm all for social democratic measures in the interim, both because they make p ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 18 07:08:05 PST 2004

23194 [lbo-talk] Re: Terrorism -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Six posts yesterday. Five posts today. I've set you to have your posts approved by the moderator (me). I'll approve the first three that come in every day, and discard the rest. Doug

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23195 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >You, at least, have proposed a strategy: reading more books by >authors you like. Huh? I said I liked the idea of building the Green Party through local candidacies, among other things. Why be so nasty & dismissive? Doug

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23196 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >>Considering that just about every progressive mass organizer in >>this country wants to see Bush defeated, perhaps that should tell >>us something? > >Correct. > >And any progressive organizer with any sense recognizes that the >long term goal of building a long term challenge to corporate >hegemony cannot go into hibernation every time the worst excesses of >capital reveal themselves, as they have, like clockwork over the >past two d ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 15:40:54 PST 2004

23197 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

Joseph Wanzala wrote: >'Defeating Bush' in itself does not amount to much. Think of it the other way around - what would "re-electing Bush" mean? It would embolden the most lunatic forces in U.S. politics. It's rather like what would have happened had Clinton been impeached (well, convicted, but you know what I mean) only worse. Doug

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 15:37:44 PST 2004

23198 [lbo-talk] Targeting Only "the Likely Voters" -> Attacks on the GP -- rank: 1000

Michael Dawson -PSU wrote: >Has he had any influence on >> politics since his 2000 run? > >I definitely agree with this criticism of Nader. Back in November of 2000, >why in the hell didn't he come out yowling about electoral reform, voter >registration, and Gore's failure to acknowledge us Naderites? I remain >mystified by the silence, which seemed like a huge waste of a big >opportunity to help both himself and the left. It's almost enough to make you think he was ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 15:17:02 PST 2004

23199 [lbo-talk] Targeting Only "the Likely Voters" -> Attacks on the GP -- rank: 1000

Michael Dawson -PSU wrote: >In fact, the AFL-CIO ought to be acting just as you describe -- truly >withholding its clout from anybody but genuine friends, who are now few and >far between. Its clout? The blue-collar unions mostly endorsed Gephardt, and the service unions mostly endorsed Dean. Both flopped. They've got potential, but it's hard to discern right now. Doug

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 14:54:19 PST 2004

23200 [lbo-talk] Bush expected to announce candidacy any day now -- rank: 1000

John Halle wrote: >As for your description of Farley, well maybe he hasn't been >appropriately introduced at Upper West Side coffee klatsches. I can't remember the last one of those I went to. > Does this fit your description of a non-entity? > >http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20040216/003447.html Impressive resume, but he's a political nonentity. I think I'm somewhere around the 99th percentile in political knowledge among the U.S. population, and I ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 14:38:02 PST 2004

23201 [lbo-talk] Targeting Only "the Likely Voters" -> Attacks on the GP -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Nader has widespread name recognition and has real credibility when >it comes to articulating issues of importance to the American left. Yeah, and what do we have to show for it? Has he had any influence on politics since his 2000 run? I made claims like this in 1996 and again in 2000 and it's all amounted to zip. Why should it be different in 2004? Doug

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23202 [lbo-talk] Targeting Only "the Likely Voters" -> Attacks on the GP -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >It does not take rocket science to figure that out. Which makes me >wonder whether insignificant minority groups putting their "candidates" >for president are either (a) monumentally naïve or (b) acting as 'Trojan >donkeys' in their own ideological rank and file (GP among liberals, >Reform and Libertarians among conservatives). A lot of Greens and other varieties of American leftists don't see elections as a path to taking power, but as a way o ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 13:05:38 PST 2004

23203 [lbo-talk] Race & Resistance -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >As for ambivalence, the word means that one's feelings and thoughts >are torn between two opposite sides -- positive and negative, etc. >toward which one is equally drawn. I've heard your remarks about >the armed resistance in Iraq that count as negative, but I've yet to >hear from you any remark that suggests a positive assessment of it. If the "resistance" makes it less likely that the U.S. will invade other countries, then that's a good thing ...

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23204 [lbo-talk] Bush " people are pretty upeat all over the country"... -- rank: 1000

Stephen E Philion wrote: >During his public remarks here, Bush all but acknowledged that the >participants on stage were chosen precisely because they support his >policies. > >"But you're going to say: `Well, of course, they just pick the upbeat >people,' " Bush said, adding: "Well, the truth of the matter is, people >are pretty upbeat all over the country. That's what I'm here to report >to you." >http://tinyurl.com/26jrm A report released by Gall ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 17 12:24:38 PST 2004

23205 [lbo-talk] Mahajan: Is the Tide Turning? -- rank: 1000

[Rahul Mahajan did an empire primer for Monthly Review Press and was the Green candidate for governor of Texas.] Bush -- Is the Tide Turning? by Rahul Mahajan Published on Monday, February 16, 2004 by CommonDreams.org For at least six months, I have been resisting early pronouncements of Bush's political death. Most of them seemed to be composed of wishful thinking, extrapolating from simple facts -- the disaster of the Iraq occupation, the mostly jobless recovery, the lies about weapons of mass ...

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