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22726 [lbo-talk] Cheney Faces Indictments; More Flags Go up at White House -- rank: 1000

Joel Wendland wrote: >Interesting story. Perhaps this has been touched on before on this list, but >what's the story behind Capitol Hill Blue? Kelley posted this from their FAQ on June 4: >Who, or what, is Capitol Hill Blue? >Musings, brain drain and rantings started by a grouchy old ex-newspaperman >named Doug Thompson in October 1994. Thompson left us to pursue other >things but some guy named McTavish walked in one day and took over so Blue >lives on. That makes us the ol ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 9 07:19:03 PDT 2004

22727 [lbo-talk] WSWS on F911 -- rank: 1000

<http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jul2004/cohe-j09.shtml> Liberal philistinism and Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 By David Walsh 9 July 2004 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author Through July 7 nearly ten million people in the US had viewed Michael Moore's documentary film, Fahrenheit 9/11. That is to say, millions understand better now than they did prior to June 25 that the American government is run by a gang of crooks with ambitions to plunder and dom ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 9 07:14:09 PDT 2004

22728 [lbo-talk] Hersh: cultish war-criminals in the WH -- rank: 1000

New York Sun - July 8, 2004 Seymour Hersh: Administration Committed War Crimes By JOSH GERSTEIN Staff Reporter of the Sun SAN FRANCISCO - Journalist Seymour Hersh yesterday accused President Bush and Vice President Cheney of committing war crimes in their prosecution of the war on terror before he backed off the charge somewhat, saying he was not certain the two leaders were culpable as individuals. "What we had was a series of massive crimes, criminal activity by the president and the vice ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 8 09:41:23 PDT 2004

22729 [lbo-talk] Re: The Housing Bubble -- rank: 1000

jimi ayler wrote: >i don't believe this particular bubble will ever pop, >'round these here parts. Or as our pal Tom Gogola put it at a reading at KGB last night, the Long Island housing market has a case of priapism - once it's up, it stays up. But as they say on Wall Street, trees don't grow to the sky. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jul 8 07:57:01 PDT 2004

22730 [lbo-talk] George Will on Thomas Frank -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >Most people are by nature stupid, selfish, vain, and lazy And people are also by nature intelligent, generous, anxious for approval, and energetic. C'mon Woj, we're not hardwired to be only assholes. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jul 8 07:53:33 PDT 2004

22731 [lbo-talk] The election falls on... -- rank: 1000

Jon Johanning wrote: >On Jul 7, 2004, at 4:03 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >>Running for the office of chief executive of the world bourgeoisie >>doesn't seem like the time to conduct scores of simultaneous >>experiments. > >But your characterization of that office does raise the question of >what the point of a radical party putting up a candidate actually is. I stole the characterization from Workers Vanugard, and I think it's a pretty good one. > Why should a ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 8 07:27:15 PDT 2004

22732 [lbo-talk] Re: Marginality -- rank: 1000

Laurence Shute wrote: >Where does "marginality" end and principle begin? That's a good question. Sometimes standing for a principle will marginalize you. But from years of watching left thinking and organizations, I've concluded that for some people the marginalization itself is a marker of principle, and that any kind of success is a sure sign of a sellout. So, since Moore is packing them in, he must be a hack or an apologist or a whore. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jul 8 07:15:47 PDT 2004

22733 [lbo-talk] Oil, Conspiracy Theory, and F 9/11 -- rank: 1000

Dennis Redmond wrote: >Mojo says F9/11 has raked in an astounding $64 million so far Maybe I spend too much time looking at the national income accounts, but $64m seems like such a tiny sum - not that much bigger than a star bond trader's year-end bonus. Hollywood makes people rich, but it's such a small business in dollar terms. Ditto pro sports. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jul 8 06:59:19 PDT 2004

22734 [lbo-talk] Oil, Conspiracy Theory, and F 9/11 Re: Dude, Why are you fronting? -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >What distinguishes Michael Moore's conspiracy theories about oil >(especially the UNOCAL angle), the Saudi Connection, Big Tobacco, >etc. from the sort that you would normally be the first to hold in >contempt? I don't like the pipeline angle. The Saudi connection is *not* conspiratorial - Unger refreshingly and explicitly makes the opposite point that the Bush-Saudi relation is not a conspiracy, but a money-making venture. He's not perfect. He's soemtimes sl ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 7 14:24:52 PDT 2004

22735 [lbo-talk] Re: Dude, Why are you fronting? -- rank: 1000

Joseph Wanzala wrote: >Michael Moore is one of America's most famous dissidents. So he must be a liar, a fool, a dupe, or a hack. Let's piss all over him in the interests of deeper marginality! Because marginality is pure and is rich ground for paranoia to grow in. It makes us feel safer to have no influence and to mutter bitterly about the secret conspiracies of the powerful, whose details are mysteriously revealed to us, so that we may feel even more powerless. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jul 7 13:08:16 PDT 2004

22736 [lbo-talk] The election falls on... -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >In short, a politically sensible compromise between the Nader/Camejo >and Cobb/LaMarche factions within the Green Party would have been >Camejo's proposal for "free states," i.e., the Green Party at the >national convention endorsing both campaigns and leaving each state >Green Party free to choose the campaign that is best suited for >growing the Green Party in the state. What kind of national party runs 50 separate campaigns? Why not go down ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 7 13:03:02 PDT 2004

22737 [lbo-talk] cosby-mouth -- rank: 1000

R wrote: >since nobody on the list want's to discuss what cosby actually said, lets >have a look at some of what he said. and let's read some discussion of what >he said that cites his comments rather than talks about them. Enough.

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Date:	Wed Jul 7 09:31:07 PDT 2004

22738 [lbo-talk] forwarding stuff -- rank: 1000

I got an email yesterday from someone complaining that a post to a private forum with her nom de net and email address was forwarded here and archived. I'm not going to reproduce it, because that might compound the problem, but please don't forward stuff from nonpublic media (an archived, searchable list is public) here without the author's permission. Doug

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22739 [lbo-talk] Re: cosby-mouth -- rank: 1000

snit snat wrote: >and on and on. we've already covered this ground. well, maybe you >haven't. carry on. No, R, please don't carry on, at least in public. This one's played. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jul 7 09:18:31 PDT 2004

22740 [lbo-talk] free speech: gone too far? -- rank: 1000

Chicago Tribune - July 4, 2004 Free speech: Do Americans really believe in it? By Charles M. Madigan Perspective editor Undoubtedly, the Founding Fathers had no idea that a Howard Stern would come along, making his fortune in a strange, electrically powered world that, of all things, sends ideas through the air via invisible waves to entertain and inform "listeners" wherever they may go. Neither could they have anticipated that he would be, to be frank, a potty mouth. His humor is buil ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 7 09:15:59 PDT 2004