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22471 [lbo-talk] Re: Sexuality Under Seige, or What Else is New? -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >There's something to what you say, Nathan. Going to the barricades >over the right to hawk plastic schlongs in the Weekly Shopper is the >kind of leftish kamikaze strike that has kept the GOP chortling and >in office for many years now. Is that the reason? Did Dukakis and Mondale hawk dildoes on the campaign trail? I must have missed that. The way you put it trivializes the issue, which should be that the right to sexual pleasure is as fundamental as the right to ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 11:22:59 PDT 2004

22472 [lbo-talk] Re: Sexuality Under Seige or So What Else is New? -- rank: 1000

John Adams wrote: >Where do you draw the line between sexual fetishism and commodity >fetishism, when the sex involves commodities? Aside from sharing the word "fetishism," the concepts are pretty different. The commodity form hides all the social relations behind its production and exchange. A pair of nipple clamps doesn't make visible the social relations behind their production and exchange, but their pleasure, for those who like them, is in their application. Ditto a latex ca ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 11:16:19 PDT 2004

22473 [lbo-talk] Re: Sexuality Under Seige, or What Else is New? -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Yes, you can make the distinction, but do you trust William Rehnquist to do >so? People keep making intellecutal arguments about distinctions, while >ignoring the basic question. Are we better off leaving it up to unelected >judges to make these decisions or should we keep it in the public realm of >politics where our arguments continue to matter in convincing people on how >to vote. I've said a bunch of times that I think liberals have relied for too l ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 08:38:14 PDT 2004

22474 [lbo-talk] An Analysis of the Post-Convention Zogby Poll -- rank: 1000

Michael Perelman wrote: >How reliable is this? The AAPORites treat Zogby as a bit of a charlatan. He uses questionable sampling techniques, then weights the results in odd and opaque fashion. Here's one critique. Zogby and Mitofsky have a bit of a beef going; in a subsequent NYT article, Zogby called Mitofsky (the inventor of the exit poll) "a grumpy old man." Doug ---- <http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41186-2004Jan23?language=printer> New Hampshire: Graveyard of Pol ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 08:29:20 PDT 2004

22475 [lbo-talk] Re: Sexuality Under Seige, or What Else is New? -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >And a conservative would rightly respond, why is this a more fundamental >right than my right to run my business as I choose, as long as everyone I >associate with consents to the arrangements? Because the worker's consent to the boss's contract is always tainted by coercion, and because the boss is extracting uncompensated value from the worker. I.e., commerce isn't the paradise of liberty, equality, and Bentham that conservatives say it is. Doug

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 08:14:49 PDT 2004

22476 [lbo-talk] Re: Sexuality Under Seige or So What Else is New? -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Call me an anti-consumerist puritan, but if your sexuality is completely >dependent on shopping, I'm just not going to grant it the same level of >human dignity status. Ok, you're an anti-consumerist puritan. It's none of your damned business, nor of the state of Alabama, or the federal courts. There's something in this attitude that's not unlike Gary?'s - that sexual pleasure is somehow suspect, some kind of base motive, that's not to be taken seriously as a reall ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 08:07:38 PDT 2004

22477 [lbo-talk] "I Had an Abortion" -- rank: 1000

Gary? wrote: >We demand people take responsibility for their actions, oh, except for sex. So you're a reactionary sexist then? At least you've made that much clear. Interesting how you defend the liberal use of cunt as an epithet, then turn into a priggish moralist when sexual pleasure's involved. No surprise, really. But still creepy. Doug

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Date:	Sat Jul 31 07:55:23 PDT 2004

22478 [lbo-talk] "I Had an Abortion" -- rank: 1000

Gary? wrote: >Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >I, too, had an abortion -- simply because I did not want a child. > >what a piece of self indulgent crap. I have my differences with Yoshie, but that wasn't a piece of self-indulgent crap. Unless you think abortion is a trivial issue, which it isn't. Doug

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Date:	Fri Jul 30 15:20:22 PDT 2004

22479 [lbo-talk] Ron Reagan: someone else for president -- rank: 1000

<http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2004/040729_mfe_reagan_1.html> The Case Against George W. Bush The son of the fortieth president of the United States takes a hard look at the son of the forty-first and does not like what he sees By Ron Reagan [...] Fortunately, we still live in a democratic republic. The Bush team cannot expect a cabal of right-wing justices to once again deliver the White House. Come November 2, we will have a choice: We can embrace a lie, or we can restore a me ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 30 15:17:51 PDT 2004

22480 [lbo-talk] A Message to the Grassroots Greens -- rank: 1000

Oh, and I see Nancy Oden is one of your enemies. >Rather than spend time finding out what really happened, people are >likely to reject both the abuser and the victim. This greatly >strengthens the attacker and weakens the larger group. This happened >in early 2004, when Mitchel Cohen called for Nancy Oden to be thrown >off the CC, illegally removed from the GNC, banned from listerves >and then Mitchel Cohen called for those who disagreed with him to be >expelled from GPUSA. ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 30 15:12:44 PDT 2004

22481 [lbo-talk] A Message to the Grassroots Greens -- rank: 1000

mitchelcohen at mindspring.com wrote: >Two weeks ago a clique within the Greens/Green Party USA that now >illegitimately controls its administrative bodies (including its >publications) broadcast a horrible and completely inaccurate >diatribe in the form of an e-newsletter. This is rich material, Mitch! And thanks for pointing out to me that it's on the website - it's hard to keep all your grouplets straight. <http://greens.org/~jsutter/ggpusa/enewsletter.html> 2. Interruptions ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 30 15:10:00 PDT 2004

22482 [lbo-talk] "These anarchist kids are not who you think they are -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >The margins are much wider than the party faithful and the ABB >movement wants to acknowledge. It's the smallest it's been in modern history. I'm looking at a Pew poll from June that shows the "swing" voters at 21% of the total (i.e., neither "certain" Bush or Kerry voters), down 11 points from a similar period in 2000. >And it looks like Bush and Co. have come out of the gate with an >interesting offensive strategy. That Kerry's a "liberal&quo ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 30 14:57:57 PDT 2004

22483 [lbo-talk] Re: this minute's poll results -- rank: 1000

frank scott wrote: > >"Zogby Poll Shows Democratic Ticket Up 5 Points" >Fri Jul 30, 7:08 AM ET > >if that's the best zombie and son can do, after their electrifying >(to-the-dembots) speeches and hoopla, it looks bad... According to ABC's The Note, the reliable polls won't be out until early next week. Rasmussen has a number out today, but it's mostly pre-speech. <http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm> Presidential Tracking Poll: Bush-K ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 30 14:40:53 PDT 2004

22484 [lbo-talk] A Message to the Grassroots Greens -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: 5 posts so far today. The limit is 3. Doug

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22485 [lbo-talk] A Message to the Grassroots Greens -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > Always figured Mitchel and Robert Lederman believed this about >West Nile virus>...The fact that the wave of new diseases they tell >us we are >being subjected to every few months - West Nile, Anthrax, >Smallpox, SARS, you name it - are NOT natural occurrences >in their current form but are manufactured, WITHOUT our >consent, at the US Army Biological Warfare facilities >in Fort Detrick, Maryland and at Plum Island, New York, >passes by ...

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