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22201 [lbo-talk] Kovel on Nader-Camejo -- rank: 1000

[All you Naderbots: Kovel is a very serious red-green who's run against Ralph in Green primaries *from the left.*] Published on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Green Follies by Joel Kovel A shocking scenario is unfolding before our eyes which, if carried through, will constitute the greatest mistake made by the left in many years. A small but very determined fraction of the Green Party is prepared to package Ralph Nader with Peter Camejo, the Green Gubernatorial candidate in Califor ...

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22202 [lbo-talk] Re: Nader Goes Buchananite -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >So Kopkind seriously accepted the premise "the worse the better." I >don't agree, but it is rather hypocritical for anyone who admired (or >admires) Kopkind to go around sneering at (usually unnamed) adherents of >the "worse the better." Kopkind & Cockburn both declared themselves members of the "Chaos Party" - i.e., anything that raised the level of chaos in the system was good. I don't agree. But aside from that, Kopkind was a wo ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 11:45:03 PDT 2004

22203 Nader Goes Buchananite (Re: [lbo-talk] Vote Nader/Camejo 2004! -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >-Expanded health care? What the fuck happened to universal health care? > >It got defeated. C'mon, Nathan. Defend Kerry all you like, but show some fidelity to the facts. Clinton's health care proposal was a doomed disaster. Remember the exchange between David Himmelstein and Hillary Clinton? D: "With 75% in the polls and strong presidential leadership, single-payer could win." H: "C'mon David, tell me something interesting." So instead, Clinton ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 10:39:49 PDT 2004

22204 [lbo-talk] GDP per capita/Dougs comments -- rank: 1000

uvj at vsnl.com wrote: >One can buy a loaf of good quality bread in my city (Pop. 15 mn) for >20 cents. (Things cost much less small towns and villages.) How much >it would cost in NY? Maybe ten times that. By the way, the WB has Indian incomes at 1.5% of U.S. on a cash basis, and 7.5% on a PPP basis. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 09:37:34 PDT 2004

22205 [lbo-talk] GDP per capita/Dougs comments -- rank: 1000

Chris Doss wrote: >Do you know if this is with pensioners factored in, or just people >earning a wage? Pensioners are a big group (maybe 30% of the >population), and they get about $40-$50 a month, which would really >drag things down. Pensions are part of national income, so it'd include them. Remember, these numbers are based not on household surveys but on the national income accounts. The more "developed" a country, the lower the ratio of household income to per capita ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 07:45:55 PDT 2004

22206 [lbo-talk] GDP per capita/Dougs comments -- rank: 1000

Chris Doss wrote: >I don't know about Chinese, but Russians live considerably better >than one would think they do looking at the official stats, as I >have stated before, which makes me leery of them. (Shadow economy, >fake taxes, lots of stuff almost free, no rent, free summer house, >stuff like that.) The WB has Russia at 23% of US per capita GDP on a PPP basis, or around $8,200/yr - but on a market exchange basis, about 10%. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 07:30:35 PDT 2004

22207 [lbo-talk] Medea B: support David Cobb -- rank: 1000

Want to Get Rid of Bush and Grow the Greens? Support David Cobb By Medea Benjamin I spent a sleepless night last night thinking about the Nader/Camejo ticket and the Green Party's dilemma. I love and admire both Nader and Camejo, and have had a close working relationship with both of them for many years. I totally support their anti-war, anti-corporate, pro-democracy message. But I don't think their campaign will bring us any closer to the world we want to build. The Nader/Camejo ticket can't wi ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 07:25:28 PDT 2004

22208 [lbo-talk] WBAI Hates Jews -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >This true, Doug? It's been a long time since I walked BAI's hallowed halls. There's some unpleasant stuff floating around, no doubt about it, but Chesler - herself a foul piece of work - exaggerates it wildly. Feder is full of white guy ressentiment - affirmative action has driven the world to hell, and all that. There are extreme racialized factions within the station and on the new local board that prefer to fight each other than try to figure out what the station can ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 07:22:35 PDT 2004

22209 [lbo-talk] Re: Nader Goes Buchananite -- rank: 1000

snit snat wrote: >At 01:07 AM 6/24/2004, Joseph Wanzala forwarded: > >>A lot of people simply do not understand the psychology >>of minority political factions. > >my guess? DSM-IV 302.89 or 302.9 That's frotteurism and paraphilia (not otherwise specified), for those of you without a DSM. Doug

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 07:13:03 PDT 2004

22210 [lbo-talk] Re: Nader Goes Buchananite -- rank: 1000

snit snat wrote: >And, even if Nader did manage to swing the election, does anyone >really think he'd do anything but become just like the rest? This is another aspect of these chimerical individualist campaigns - if, by some fluke he should win, what then? No allies on Congress, no instituional support among the population, but lots of enemies all around. What then? Andy Kopkind once told me that, despite his public writing in support of Jerry Brown, he "never liked" Brown. If B ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 07:12:00 PDT 2004

22211 [lbo-talk] Fwd: OH: Kerry 49%, Bush 43%, Nader 2% -- rank: 1000

[for all you geeks following the swing states - Yoshie, get to work! evidently Ohioans haven't yet heard how great the Nader-Camejo ticket is!!] American Research Group, Inc. John Kerry continues to lead George W. Bush in Ohio. Kerry is at 49%, Bush is at 43%, and Ralph Nader is at 2%. Without Nader on the ballot, it is Kerry 50% and Bush 44%. These results are virtually unchanged from May. Kerry has slipped from 87% among Democrats in May to 83% among Democrats in this survey, but Kerry leads B ...

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Date:	Thu Jun 24 06:55:03 PDT 2004

22212 Nader Goes Buchananite (Re: [lbo-talk] Vote Nader/Camejo 2004! -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Nathan Newman wrote: >> >> Others tell me that . . .you should only >> support "pure" third party candidates. > >This is simply a lie. > >Charges of "purism" are almost always either mindless repetition of >dogma or deliberate lies. > >This may be both. Chill the fuck out, man. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jun 23 14:33:52 PDT 2004

22213 [lbo-talk] even more airline data turned over to gov -- rank: 1000

<http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,63958,00.html> More False Information From TSA By Ryan Singel 08:55 AM Jun. 23, 2004 PT A top homeland security official told Congress that five major domestic airlines turned over sensitive passenger data to the agency or its contractors in 2002 and 2003, contradicting numerous statements by airline and government officials and confirming some of the worst fears of privacy advocates. Delta, Continental, America West, JetBlue and Frontier Airline ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 23 12:51:56 PDT 2004

22214 [lbo-talk] PPP again -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >Finally, higher spending (and thus higher GDP) do not necessarily >translate to higher standards of living. Clearly not, which is why I've said that the PPP technique has serious practical and conceptual limitations. But as with many economic yardsticks (like price indexes), it's not completely useless either. GDP per capita represents a sort of upper bound on average material welfare, though there are lots of qualitative and distributional issues involved too for ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 23 12:46:01 PDT 2004

22215 [lbo-talk] Re: Kansas as angst indicator -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >The Armchair Leftist's Creed > >I want to live in a house by the side of the road >And sneer at the fucks going by Since you're always denouncing generalizations about "leftists" made without any supporting personalities or texts, perhaps you could follow your own rule, and explain whom or what this idiotic little ditty is about? Doug

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