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2176 [lbo-talk] My Letter To CH -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 3:03 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > That would give him a similar background to Orwell, but Orwell never grovelled. He did name names to the authorities.

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 12:08:10 PST 2011

2177 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > You've just proved the opposite: even if gas prices were as high as you'd like, you'd still drive. You quoted $300 for the train, $50 for gas. Gas is probably $3.75 at your house and along that route ... so you're saying that if it was $22.50/gal you'd *still* drive, because it would be (ahem) cheaper than the train. Yo, the train should be cheaper.

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 12:01:19 PST 2011

2178 [lbo-talk] move your money campaign -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > Also: perhaps the biggest impact on banks like BofA in this has been perceptions that have helped drive their stock price down to historic lows. BofA trades at less than 25% of book value! Woo! When's Buffett going to buy? THeir propaganda is all about "community" and "local." Securitized assets are neither. The Move Your Money site does not recommend Amalgamated Bank for my zip code, even though it's union-owned. They st ...

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 12:00:33 PST 2011

2179 [lbo-talk] move your money campaign -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: >> They'll put the influx into Ginnie and Fannie. > > And that's bad exactly how? Not from my point of view. But all these people who think that by putting their money in a CU they're keeping it local, they ain't. The inflow of cash into CUs in the third quarter was minor. We'll see what happened in the fourth quarter, when the move your money thing got going, when the flow of funds accounts come out in March.

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 11:39:30 PST 2011

2180 [lbo-talk] My Letter To CH -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:30 PM, // ravi wrote: > Hitchens was a toff, a Lord. And the English-speaking world, it seems, still likes to love a Lord. As more than one person has pointed out, he was from the "lower upper middle class" - he wasn't a lord. Thus the social climbing. A real aristocrat, like Cockburn, doesn't need to do all that climbing, and so can sit in Petrolia with a cockatiel on his shoulder. Doug

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 11:36:38 PST 2011

2181 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > Gas isn't the only cost of your trip; AAA estimates about $0.70/mi all-in for an average car. For sure, but it's not visible. > Gar makes a great point -- that you've dismissed on-list before -- that without commensurate investment in alternatives, just making it expensive won't keep you from doing it. You'll just further stratify the inequality in the US. I've dismissed it? If I did, I withdraw & apologize. This prob is so big that t ...

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 11:34:53 PST 2011

2182 [lbo-talk] move your money campaign -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Nothing is wrong with them; but a flood of new deposits/members would harm > them: they have more emoney now than they can usefully invest. (I believe > Doug pointed this out.) Exactly. They'll put the influx into Ginnie and Fannie.

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 10:30:25 PST 2011

2183 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Gar Lipow wrote: > Hi Doug. I'm for a carbon tax as a reinforcement measure as long as we > have public investment and rule base aka "command & control" measures > as well. But as a stand alone policy - not effective. No amount of > carbon tax will build trains. I don't think the carbon tax is the magic bullet. I'm all for everything else too. But it's important to raise the price of the stuff. Current pricing is ridiculous. E.g., the trip ...

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 10:25:45 PST 2011

2184 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Steve Bruns wrote: > Here in British Columbia we have a carbon tax. It is a surtax on fossil fuels, most notably a 5.56 cents/ltr on gasoline, 6.39 cents/ltr on diesel fuel and $51.93/tonne on high heat value coal. It is designed to be revenue neutral and the offsetting tax cuts are primarily to corporations and "small" business. > > I would argue that this is an exercise in greenwashing a tax shift since a true carbon tax would need to be suf ...

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 09:08:49 PST 2011

2185 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Andy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: >> Damn it -- can't you debate a point in a straightforward way without making >> some stupid moral sneer at unnamed parties that disagree with you. This is >> juvenile. > > Could you explain what the point of debate is? A carbon tax? It would be a way of raising the cost of fossil fuels and, one hopes, reducing their use. Quoting myself from a fe ...

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 08:09:01 PST 2011

2186 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Damn it -- can't you debate a point in a straightforward way without making > some stupid moral sneer at unnamed parties that disagree with you. This is > juvenile. Ok, I'll aspire to your consistent standard of courtesy from here on.

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 08:02:45 PST 2011

2187 [lbo-talk] The Planet is Fine -- rank: 1000

On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:11 AM, nathan tankus wrote: > Forgive me for missing the memo but what exactly is the problem with a > carbon tax (or at least why would it be a complete failure not worth > doing)? I'm fine with it. The righteous think it's neoliberal or something. Doug

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Date:	Tue Dec 20 07:42:03 PST 2011

2188 [lbo-talk] My Letter To CH -- rank: 1000

On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > The remark was Glenn Greenwald's. He was getting at what he calls (accurately, it seems to me) "the warped values of our political and media culture: once someone is sufficiently embedded within that circle, they are intrinsically worthy of admiration and respect, no matter what it is that they actually do..." > > He did make friends for himself with the rhetorical mammon of iniquity; he was an insider in a way that e.g. ...

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Date:	Mon Dec 19 16:56:55 PST 2011

2189 [lbo-talk] My Letter To CH -- rank: 1000

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:16 PM, // ravi wrote: > On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: >> On Dec 19, 2011, at 2:56 PM, // ravi wrote: >>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote (quoted): >>>> "There s one other aspect to the adulation of Hitchens that s quite revealing. There seems to be this sense that his excellent facility with prose excuses his sins." >>> >>> One of us syndrome? >> >> Who exactly b ...

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Date:	Mon Dec 19 13:27:27 PST 2011

2190 [lbo-talk] Boots Riley on Occupy the Hood -- rank: 1000

On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:22 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > yadda. Yeah.

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