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21631 [lbo-talk] RE: Incomparable progress -- rank: 1000

T Fast wrote: >But the question of civilisation is far too loaded of a term and is almost >always deployed by those at the centre of empire to rank those in the >periphery. And I chose it because it's a nice project to civilize the center. Sometimes it even feels better than hopeless. And don't forget (Grundrisse, pp. 409-410): "Thus capital creates the bourgoies society, and the universal appropriation of nature as well as of the social bond itself by the members of society. Hence ...

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Date:	Sat May 8 12:16:01 PDT 2004

21632 Improvement, not Progress, was Re: [lbo-talk] Incomparably more civilized -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >"Incomparably" is a strong word. _Incomparably_ more civilized? Take it up with Noam. I've got his secret email address if you'd like to. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 8 12:00:45 PDT 2004

21633 [lbo-talk] RE: Incomparable progress -- rank: 1000

joanna bujes wrote: >Yeah, actually I agree with you. It's just hard to see progress >sitting square in the middle of backlash season. Sure. But it's good for morale to realize that people like us have made a difference over the decades. Helps us continue in what seems like dark times. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 8 09:46:41 PDT 2004

21634 [lbo-talk] still some civilizing work to do -- rank: 1000

U.S. Town Sees GIs as Real Victims in Iraq Abuse Sat May 8, 8:04 AM ET By Cyrille Cartier CUMBERLAND, Md. (Reuters) - For many in the sleepy town of Cumberland, home of the military company at the heart of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal, the U.S. soldiers are the real victims and the Iraqis had it coming. In bars, shops and throughout the town of 21,000 people, residents gathered on Friday to watch Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld testify to Congress about the abuses that involved soldiers fr ...

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Date:	Sat May 8 09:34:54 PDT 2004

21635 [lbo-talk] Incomparably more civilized -- rank: 1000

John Adams wrote: >On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >>you couldn't buy garlic in supermarkets. > >I've never heard this before. Would mind explaining? It was smelly stuff, not for real Americans, only wops and other furriners. I think it was hard to get broccoli until the 1960s - also "Italian." I used to frequent a Kroger's in southwestern Virginia - in Abindgon, to be precise, a relatively affluence little burg that housed the likes of co ...

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Date:	Sat May 8 09:21:29 PDT 2004

21636 [lbo-talk] Should we stay? Can we go? Dennis Kucinich vs. Michael O'Hanlon -- rank: 1000

The American Prospect Online <http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7681> The Next Step in Iraq Should we stay? Can we go? TAP debates the U.S. military presence in Iraq. Moderated by Jeffrey Dubner. By Dennis Kucinich and Michael O'Hanlon Web Exclusive: 05.05.04 On May 4, the Pentagon announced that at least 135,000 troops would remain in Iraq through the end of 2005. Is this the right strategy? While the problems in George W. Bush's approach have ...

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Date:	Sat May 8 09:06:49 PDT 2004

21637 [lbo-talk] Incomparably more civilized -- rank: 1000

joanna bujes wrote: >I would love to concede. I would love for it to be true. It is the >case that there were millions out on the street protesting this >action even before anything started. It is also the case that the >U.S. has been raping and torturing this nation for how long? how >far back do you want to go? the last Gulf war? The U.S. is hardly a paradise of civilization now, for sure, but 40 years ago black people could barely vote in the south and George Wallace was stand ...

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Date:	Sat May 8 08:54:03 PDT 2004

21638 [lbo-talk] Just Do Something! -- rank: 1000

Joseph Wanzala quoted: >That is right. The movement failed to answer those questions. But >why blame that on young activists??? The fault for that lay squarely >on the shoulders of progressive / left intellectuals One of our point is that we should try to erase this distinction - that activists should think, and intellectuals, act. Separation of the roles degrades both thought and action. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 8 08:47:35 PDT 2004

21639 [lbo-talk] the lunatic fringe weighs in -- rank: 1000

For those desperately searching for bearish analysis. Hunt disappeared from respsectable analytic circles about 10 years ago. He'd told the WSJ in one of those "year ahead" surveys that interest rates would decline in, I think, 1994. Instead the Fed tightened, causing the Mexican crisis. Contacted for the next year's crystal ball session, Hunt explained, "I didn't make a mistake. The Fed did." >9:27p ET Friday, May 7, 2004 > >Dear Friend of GATA and Gold: > >Th ...

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Date:	Sat May 8 08:26:41 PDT 2004

21640 [lbo-talk] Michael Moore plays with the truth -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > Now will people believe Adam Hochchild's side of when Moore was >fired from Mother Jones? Why should I care? Doug

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Date:	Fri May 7 15:46:04 PDT 2004

21641 [lbo-talk] Worse photos to come? -- rank: 1000

SergioL652 at aol.com wrote: >Yes, but most of the people I talk to, who are mainstream always >bring up the fact the prisioners where after all bad guys and of >course 9/11 changed everything. So, I believe there is repulsion, >but in the end it won't change the support for W. I don't think it'll lead to a wholesale turnaround, but I think it's going to chip away at it. Doug

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Date:	Fri May 7 13:53:07 PDT 2004

21642 [lbo-talk] Middle America reacts -- rank: 1000

[well not exactly, as you'll see, but here's a post to the Cultural Studies list in response to an anxiously offered query from a Canadian as to why the predominantly American list was so silent on Iraq news] Oh, but it's an academic listserv. Our foreheads slope a bit less than that of the average American. (joke) Has anyone considered the possibility that we USians are still in a state of shock? It's true for me, at least. I just don't know what to think. I've been a soldier in Military I ...

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Date:	Fri May 7 13:41:54 PDT 2004

21643 [lbo-talk] Poll: Most Americans Still Solidly Behind Rumsfeld -- rank: 1000

www.leninology. blogspot.com wrote: >The case for Rumsfeld being kicked out over this hasn't been made. I was always skeptical of demands for symbolic resignation because a resignation implies that the surviving gang is innocent. Doug

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Date:	Fri May 7 13:36:11 PDT 2004

21644 [lbo-talk] Worse photos to come? -- rank: 1000

martin wrote: >Anyone who's spent time on a right wing-nut listserv can tell you >that the photos depict essentially what they have been calling for - >the torture and humiliation of moslems. In that respect the release >of the photos serves a core constituency up a treat, while the >wing-nuts understand and ignore the need of the bushits to issue >apologies and denials. How big is that constituency? Small, compared to the mainstream Americans who are sickened by it, and the bi ...

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Date:	Fri May 7 11:52:49 PDT 2004

21645 [lbo-talk] Worse photos to come? -- rank: 1000

Reuters: >Rumsfeld said there were many more photographs and video tapes that >have not been published showing cruel and sadistic acts by U.S. >personnel. Of course, the reason that creeps like Bush & Rummy don't like to apologize (though Bush apologized not for what people under his command did, but for the "humliation" felt by Iraqis) is that they fear it weakens their authority and prestige. Has it? Are these guys now damaged goods? Or will they pull that old "say ...

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Date:	Fri May 7 11:45:30 PDT 2004