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21436 [lbo-talk] more nonvoters -- rank: 1000

Shane Mage wrote: >But if they *did* vote then they would, by definition, no longer be >"passive and disengaged," and so even by the pollsters' theory >they would be expected to vote in accordance with their >socio-economic/racial profile! People often don't vote (or think) the way their demographic group suggests they should. Doug

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Date:	Sun May 23 09:20:27 PDT 2004

21437 [lbo-talk] ironies of juxtaposition -- rank: 1000

Bill Bartlett wrote: >But at least they haven't started charging families for executions. Yet. <http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0504/148382.html> Oregon Jail Making Inmates to Pay for Stay UPDATED - Friday May 21, 2004 2:04pm KLAMATH FALLS, Ore. (AP) - First, Sheriff Tim Evinger eliminated ketchup, salt, coffee and pepper at the jail, a move he says saved an instant $30,000 a year in runaway beverage and condiment costs. Now, Evinger has decided to start charging inmates $60 a day to h ...

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Date:	Sun May 23 09:12:00 PDT 2004

21438 [lbo-talk] Libertarian threat to Bush? -- rank: 1000

[being circulated by goldbugs] CBSNews.com - May 21, 2004 Bush's Third-Party Threat Bush Support Wavering? By David Paul Kuhn, CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer While Democrats fret over the possibility of Ralph Nader causing them to lose another election by stealing votes on the left, President Bush may face an even greater third-party threat from the right wing. The Libertarian Party nominee could cost Mr. Bush his job in 2004. With conservatives upset over the ballooning size of the federal ...

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Date:	Sun May 23 08:54:19 PDT 2004

21439 [lbo-talk] combing styles of our leaders -- rank: 1000

SergioL652 at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/22/2004 3:49:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, >michael at ecst.csuchico.edu writes: > >He seems to pick upon easy targets -- lower class people who may not >know better. > >Like the NRA? I don't know that he "picks on" them. I admire his honesty in non-propagandistically showing that the working class doesn't always live up to our idealizations. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 22 15:03:42 PDT 2004

21440 [lbo-talk] more nonvoters -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >If that's all they've got, I'm afraid they've got nothing. If their >results contradict all their basic theories and assumptions, then we have >to assume there's something wrong with their methods -- unless they can >explain what's wrong with the theories and assumptions. The burden is on >them to explain the discrepency. > >Tossing out their their entire framework on the basis of divergent results >would be mindless empiricism. Pollsters can be m ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 15:02:15 PDT 2004

21441 [lbo-talk] more nonvoters -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >Did the AAPOR list discussion make clear which of these tacks the >"nonvoters are the same" proponents take? Most of the arguments were based not on projections from demographics, but actual surveys of nonvoters. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 22 14:22:12 PDT 2004

21442 [lbo-talk] Orientalists and Islamists -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Anyhow, you find it objectionable when Mahathir bin Mohamad twists >the fact that some ruling-class individuals -- including a few who >are wealthy enough to make a difference in the currency market -- >are Jewish to spread paranoid propaganda about the Jewish power bent >on world domination. You rightly call such propaganda anti-Semitic. >You don't seem to be able to see -- let alone remove -- the beam in >your own eye when it comes to your ideas a ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 12:25:43 PDT 2004

21443 [lbo-talk] Orientalists and Islamists -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >I mention torture and orientalism in the minds of torturers and the >liberal media, and you and others begin raving about how Islam >oppresses women and has done so everywhere for centuries. >Evidently, in your mind, there is a connection between them. I think this came up because someone, maybe me, noted that the particular tortures chosen were designed for maximum effect in the society being occupied. No one that I know of in friendly precincts said anythin ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 12:14:59 PDT 2004

21444 [lbo-talk] Orientalists and Islamists -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >What do such facts have to do with torture, though? Even if the >tortured individuals at Abu Ghraib had been all flaming drag queens >and professional strippers from San Francisco who are into S/M in >their free time, their rape, torture, and murder would be as much of >an outrage as the rape, torture, and murder of Abu Ghraib Iraqi >detainees (some of whom, for all you know, may be liberal gay men >like Salam Pax) is. Of course it's an outrage. It' ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 11:48:31 PDT 2004

21445 [lbo-talk] combing styles of our leaders -- rank: 1000

SergioL652 at aol.com wrote: >He just won the Palm D'or in Cannes. If the jury had been full of >American leftists, I don't think he would have won. I don't agree. From what I've read about the movie, I'd have voted for him. I thought Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine were great. His books aren't so hot, but writing's not his strength. Contra Frank Rich, who found it boorish, I thought his Oscar speech was terrific. So he's a bit of a blowhard and self-promoter who needs to be nice ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 11:44:43 PDT 2004

21446 [lbo-talk] AAPOR on "push polls" -- rank: 1000

[speaking of push polls, which we were just the other day, AAPOR has released this statement <http://www.aapor.org/pdfs/2004/pushpolls.pdf>] AAPOR Statement on "Push Polls" May 19, 2004 As we move into the election season, the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) has started to receive complaints about "push" polls. A push poll is a form of negative campaigning disguised as a political poll that is designed to change opinions, not measure them. Legit ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 11:26:36 PDT 2004

21447 [lbo-talk] Billionaires for Bush event in NYC tonight -- rank: 1000

[I'll be donning a tux for this one, though Paul Fussell says that "tux" is vulgar.] WHAT: "Billionaires for Bush", a nationwide political action committee and media campaign that uses street theater and media coverage to flush out the truth about the Bush administration's disastrous economic policies, is throwing a gala spring costume ball and CD release party. Special privileges for Media Representatives will be granted upon RSVP. WHEN: Saturday, May 22, 2004, 8 p.m. to 4 a ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 11:22:50 PDT 2004

21448 [lbo-talk] Orientalists and Islamists -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >What colonialism invented is the idea that the veil -- especially of >the sort that covers the entire face and body -- was universally >worn by Muslim women across classes, regions, and relations of >production. The idea was subsequently adopted by Islamists. The >irony is that Islamists, who rail against the decadence of the West >and consider local feminists to be purveyors of Western corruptions, >are the ones who are the most taken in by an esse ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 11:14:37 PDT 2004

21449 [lbo-talk] WP: torture for the hell of it -- rank: 1000

[In reporting on this story, Reuters used the word "torture." The WP uses "abuse."] Washington Post - May 22, 2004 Punishment and Amusement Documents Indicate 3 Photos Were Not Staged for Interrogation By Scott Higham and Joe Stephens Washington Post Staff Writers Prisoners posed in three of the most infamous photographs of abuse to come out of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were not being softened up for interrogation by intelligence officers but instead were being punished f ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 11:04:01 PDT 2004

21450 [lbo-talk] Lula's China visit -- rank: 1000

<marvgandall at rogers.com> wrote: >Brazilian president Lula’s state visit to China at the head of a >huge business delegation, beginning today, is part of a strategic >effort to connect the biggest emerging markets in the eastern and >western hemispheres, says an article in the Financial Times. Fascinating that the EU seems to have done a quid pro quo with Russia - Kyoto approval for WTO membership. The U.S. can't be happy about either right now. Russia inside the WTO could on ...

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Date:	Sat May 22 10:58:01 PDT 2004