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21256 [lbo-talk] Purists' Glee -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >The country is indeed split along cultural lines 51% of the electorate voted for Bush, meaning that 49% didn't. About 37% of Americans are born-again Xtians, meaning that 63% aren't. If you look at the electoral-vote weighted map (which is, more or less, population-weighted), the country looks very divided between blue and red, though the area-weighted one looks preponderantly red. They want us to believe in that preponderance, and even the NYT is playing along. Doug

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Date:	Thu Nov 4 05:53:40 PST 2004

21257 [lbo-talk] Still Missing the Big Picture About This Election -- rank: 1000

DSR wrote: >I do believe that this is the long-range plan of the >theocrats Someone told me that a couple of our new Rep senators believe abortion should me made a capital crime (i.e., kill the mother, not the fetus). Anyone know about this? Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 18:14:26 PST 2004

21258 [lbo-talk] leaving the USA -- rank: 1000

[from a gay-oriented list, but applicable to all] Immigrating from the land of your birth is a big step not to be taken lightly. But as we gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders face an increasingly hostile environment in this country, with no end in sight, some are pondering what four years ago would have been the unthinkable: immigrating to Canada. Here's a very useful web site that provides some valuable information: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/ For those of you who are real ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 17:14:17 PST 2004

21259 [lbo-talk] Re: lbo-talk Digest, Vol 11, Issue 34 -- rank: 1000

Turbulo at aol.com wrote: >Quoth the pinioned Joan As her walkman started to melt?

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 16:49:36 PST 2004

21260 [lbo-talk] It wasn't about "moral values" -- rank: 1000

John Lacny wrote: >Look, I just don't buy the idea that this whole thing was about >"moral values." First off, if the exit polls were so inaccurate in >measuring who people voted for, why were they accurate in >measuring what motivated them? They weren't "so inaccurate" - they were off by a couple of points (and it may be that more Rs refused to talk to pollsters than Ds). So that wouldn't invalidate the general drift of the motivations. Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 16:28:37 PST 2004

21261 [lbo-talk] Re: ABB forever-we won! -- rank: 1000

frank scott wrote: >now, let's begin preparing for the 2008 sell-out to crackpot realism >via hillary, or edwards, or whoever is selected for us... > >but them dumb americans...boy are they fuckin dummies...what >assholes...we be brilliant, they be dumb...sure...right. So what's your plan, smart guy? Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 16:23:30 PST 2004

21262 [lbo-talk] No, actually, I don't believe it. -- rank: 1000

SergioL652 at aol.com wrote: >I see this election as a repudiation by the American People of any >progressive values. The fact that Kerry ran a kind of populist >campaign and lost despite running against a president who is widely >perceived as a failure should put to rest any notion that the >American public is receptive to any progressive message. I'm pretty bummed about the result, but remember the popular vote margin was 51-48, not 60-40. Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 15:50:08 PST 2004

21263 [lbo-talk] No, actually, I don't believe it. -- rank: 1000

SergioL652 at aol.com wrote: >Well said Woj. It is time the American People take responsibility >for their own stupidity. This "stupidity" is long in the making. It's not a spontaneous formation. Doug

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 15:15:23 PST 2004

21264 [lbo-talk] weird Dan -- rank: 1000

Some of last night's Dan Ratherisms, from another list: >"This presidential race is hotter than the devil's anvil." > >"Ohio is like a sauna. All they can do is wait and sweat." > >"In Missouri, the show-me state: Show-me . . . insufficient data." > >"If a frog had side pockets, he'd carry a handgun." (Apparently >recycled from 2000, and to which Bob Schieffer quickly added "And he >would not be afraid of black snakes." ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 15:05:29 PST 2004

21265 [lbo-talk] Fwd: NEW DEM DAILY: A Proud and Gracious Concession -- rank: 1000

[repulsive] ============================================= THE NEW DEM DAILY, November 03, 2004 Political commentary & analysis from the DLC ============================================= [ New Democrats Online: http://www.ndol.org ] A Proud and Gracious Concession An extremely competitive, and often bitter, presidential contest came to a sudden end today when John Kerry concluded that any further scrutiny of ballots would be futile and divisive, and conceded defeat. The pain and disappointmen ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 14:40:01 PST 2004

21266 [lbo-talk] Not a Referendum on Bush, Notwithstanding the ABB Hype -- rank: 1000

Joel Wendland wrote: >One would think this argument could end now. One would. Indeed.

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 14:20:47 PST 2004

21267 [lbo-talk] Hitchens on the election -- rank: 1000

For those of you who care about what this sad case thinks: Australian Broadcasting Corporation TV PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT LOCATION: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1234209.htm Broadcast: 03/11/2004 US result a 'crushing defeat' for pollsters Reporter: Tony Jones CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, JOURNALIST: Well, I hate to sound banal, but to me what it means is a crushing defeat for the racket that is formed by the media and the opinion poll industry, who have for weeks, months, been telling us it' ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 14:19:33 PST 2004

21268 [lbo-talk] No, actually, I don't believe it. -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >* Universal health care >* Freedom to form unions, card check recognition >* $5000 per student for college education in addition to Pell Grants >* Ending workplace discrimination against gays and the disabled >* Strong pro-environment record and policy > >Folks repeat that Kerry isn't progressive, but his domestic policy was >notably more progressive than what Clinton ran on and better than Gore's in >many areas. And while history makes it hard t ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 3 14:03:27 PST 2004

21269 [lbo-talk] under construction -- rank: 1000

<http://www.leaveamerica.org/>

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21270 [lbo-talk] No, actually, I don't believe it. -- rank: 1000

Seth Ackerman wrote: >But people concerned about "morality" or "values" I think can be won. Some maybe, but I'm afraid to a lot of them "morality" and "values" mean a strictly hierarchical taxonomy of social roles, organized around race, gender, and nationality. They want fixity in a world of flux, and Bush delivers the fantasy. I can't imagine how to fight that, but that's the diagnosis. Doug

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