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21136 [lbo-talk] Jews & Iraq -- rank: 1000

I didn't. But lots of people do. Doug joanna bujes wrote: >Huh? Why assume that American jews are zionists? > >Joanna > >Doug Henwood wrote: > >>Fascinating little fact reported in Lieven's America Right Or >>Wrong: according to a survey by the American Jewish Cmte, 54% of >>American Jews opposed the war in Iraq, and 43% supported it - >>almost 20 points below the national average support, which was 62%. >>Makes it a little harder to paint the war ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Nov 10 06:41:19 PST 2004

21137 [lbo-talk] rumors of unconcession -- rank: 1000

[is there anything to this?] Dear Friends: Apparently the Kerry team is considering "unconceding." Really. No joke! Please paste and forward the message below to all you know.... and call Kerry to urge them to "unconcede." If he hears enough from us they will do it. Message to forward: Kerry is considering un-conceding and calling for a recount. He asked people to send firsthand experiences of disenfranchisement to his brother's law office and his office is eagerly counting c ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 21:40:08 PST 2004

21138 [lbo-talk] Re: Sandbox Politics -- rank: 1000

Tim Francis-Wright wrote: >(While everyone was flaming each other about Barack Obama a few days >ago, I waited in vain for anyone to start talking about why Canada >has a left-leaning [as in belonging to the Socialist International] >party, the NDP, with actual power [as in running two provinces and >holding seats in Parliament], but not the United States. So what's the answer? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 19:07:30 PST 2004

21139 [lbo-talk] The Rule of Assassins Must End -- rank: 1000

Dwayne Monroe wrote: >I was watching CNN this morning and I couldn't get the image of the >hospital in Falloojeh being stormed by Iraqi and American troops out >of my head- the Iraqis being made to lay face-down on the ground, >hands behind their backs. This is making me sick. I got the impression from reading an FT story this morning that one reason they captured the hospital first was to prevent casualty reports from spreading. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 17:18:09 PST 2004

21140 [lbo-talk] holy war -- rank: 1000

[but by all means, let's respect their POV] Published on Sunday, November 7, 2004 by Agence France Presse Holy War: Evangelical Marines Prepare to Battle Barbarians NEAR FALLUJAH - With US forces massing outside Fallujah, 35 marines swayed to Christian rock music and asked Jesus Christ to protect them in what could be the biggest battle since American troops invaded Iraq last year. US Marines of the 1st Division dressed as gladiators stage a chariot race reminiscent of the Charlton Heston movie- ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 15:16:43 PST 2004

21141 [lbo-talk] Sandbox Politics -- rank: 1000

Michael Dawson wrote: >Even if any LBO-talk subscriber crafted a good message, the >Democratic Party would not adopt and promulgate it, but, regardless, >most LBO-talk subscribers appear uninterested in joining the Green >Party (where they can conceivably make a measurable difference) or >building a new one (if the Green Party withers after the 2004 >disaster). I spent some time a few years ago trying to build the Labor Party. It was demoralizing to say the least. The Greens, a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 14:49:23 PST 2004

21142 [lbo-talk] Jews & Iraq -- rank: 1000

Fascinating little fact reported in Lieven's America Right Or Wrong: according to a survey by the American Jewish Cmte, 54% of American Jews opposed the war in Iraq, and 43% supported it - almost 20 points below the national average support, which was 62%. Makes it a little harder to paint the war as a Zionist frolic.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 13:56:18 PST 2004

21143 [lbo-talk] Everybody Knows... -- rank: 1000

Brad Mayer wrote: >..by now that the ABB Left were the biggest losers of the election. >That should be an established fact beyoud all doubt by now: I have a doubt, but maybe I don't count. Who do you think could have defeated Bush? Maybe Jesus Christ himself, but short of that, who? Dennis Kucinich? Ralph Nader? Wake up, stop dreaming. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 13:27:10 PST 2004

21144 [lbo-talk] Carville picks up the "narrative" idea -- rank: 1000

snit snat wrote: >Question is, as Wojtek suggests, can any such narrative be progressive at all? I'm having a hard time picturing it right now, but there must be some way to "narrativize" values like egalitarianism and tolerance. That quote you like from Obama about the hungry kid on the South Side is an example - some appeal to fellow-feeling (which is kind of erotic, always a prob for Americans). Ditto with some critique of capitalism that conveys the idea that the rich aren't ric ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 13:25:15 PST 2004

21145 [lbo-talk] Re: 1994 Progressive Statement speaks to 2004 Election -- rank: 1000

Chip Berlet wrote: >One is to get away from the Inside the Beltway frame of the Christian >Right being ignorant "religious political extremists," -- a contentless >DLC spin label that demonizes a large and motivated constitutency that >makes up a significant portion of the elctorate. This requires >developing a narrative that appeals to moral concerns without abandoning >the demand for equal human rights for all. > >PRA has been saying this for ten years. Here i ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 12:35:20 PST 2004

21146 [lbo-talk] evolution -- rank: 1000

An AAPORite just reported that belief in evolution (or in the case of most Americans, non-belief) has no relation to education - it's pretty constant across categories. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 12:29:48 PST 2004

21147 [lbo-talk] Sandbox Politics -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >"Sandbox Politics": Concern with the content of a message without giving >equal or greater concern to how that message will be transmitted to the >desired audience." Curmudgeon politics: lectures delivered in a cranky voice from the margins, without any concern for whether the message is relevant or interesting to the audience. Often characterized by examples from 40 years ago, or dimly remembered texts unread in decades.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 12:24:07 PST 2004

21148 [lbo-talk] Carville picks up the "narrative" idea -- rank: 1000

Daly, Corbett wrote: >Howard Dean is 5'8" See. Another loser. I think 5'10" is the median American male height. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 11:26:15 PST 2004

21149 [lbo-talk] Re: 1994 Progressive Statement speaks to 2004 Election -- rank: 1000

[bounced bec the whole statement was quoted, pushing it over the length limit - when quoting, please trim] From: "Michael Dawson" <MDawson at pdx.edu> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] 1994 Progressive Statement speaks to 2004 Election Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:14:58 -0800 Personally, I don't think it speaks to the concerns at all. It reads like left-wonk boilerplate. You can't undermine Bush's support by calling it an "ominous rightwing backlash. ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 11:24:38 PST 2004

21150 [lbo-talk] Carville picks up the "narrative" idea -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >>John Thornton wrote: >> >>>Am I being deliberately obtuse in not understanding the "need" for >>>this narrative? I just don't get it. Why is it needed to win an >>>election? Maybe I don't understand what is being put forth with >>>the narrative idea itself. Someone want to explain to me what I am >>>apparently missing because I think the narrative idea is a bit >>>disingenuous and I don't think that ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 9 11:22:52 PST 2004