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20626 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >_All_ sections >of "the left" are concerned with gaining power ...and some have phantasmic notions of how to achieve it. Actually not all section of the left are concerned with gaining power - e.g. anarchists and autonomists. John Holloway has a book called Change the World Without Taking Power. To them, power is part of the problem. But you probably don't think they're on "the left." Doug

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 11:43:26 PDT 2004

20627 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

uvj at vsnl.com wrote: >While I don't have a definite opinion on Kerry/Bush contest and on >voting in that election, it's my impression that Kerry's programme >on some domestic US issues such as death penalty, abortion, gay >rights, progressive taxation etc. is considerably different from >Bush programme. If that's the case, why it's being frequently >asserted that there isn't much programmatic difference between the >two? The domestic agenda is quite different on the kinds ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 10:52:59 PDT 2004

20628 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

John Adams wrote: >On Oct 30, 2004, at 12:37 PM, uvj at vsnl.com wrote: > >>Is it the case that the US Left accross the entire spectrum is >>primarily influenced by foreign policy issues? > >Only the part that isn't interested in gaining power at home I think a lot of the foreign-policy centered U.S. left has either given up on or is actively hostile to their fellow Americans, viewing them as either hopelessly confused, spoiled, or even complicit in imperialism. No doubt ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 10:45:06 PDT 2004

20629 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali elaborates -- rank: 1000

[Tariq Ali asked me to circulate this. He sent it under the subject heading "Rage from Outer Space." You can listen to the interview at <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html>.] BUSH VERSUS KERRY: FOR THE RECORD As I expected my interview with Doug Henwood on the US elections has resulted in a flurry of e-mails and not a few distortions, which one has come to expect from sections of the US Left. Not a single e-mail from friends/comrades/acquaintances on any other contine ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 10:40:46 PDT 2004

20630 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

Dennis Perrin wrote: >Four years ago in the Ann Arbor area, you saw Nader signs, buttons >and bumperstickers on a pretty steady basis. This year, I don't >think I've seen one. The state Repubs may have put the current >Norman Thomas on the ballot, but I don't know of a single leftie >here who cares or is planning to vote him, and most of them >supported Nader last time out. I don't think Nader's gonna have much >of an effect here, if anywhere. Better to just ignore him. It i ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 10:36:29 PDT 2004

20631 [lbo-talk] member query -- rank: 1000

John Adams wrote: >On Oct 29, 2004, at 7:52 PM, R wrote: > >>i hope i'm not over reacting but i noticed there's been no posting >>to the list for about a week from chuck0. the infoshop site is not >>responding. >> >>chuck posted several messages about FBI harassment of anarchists. >>i don't have his e-mail address to drop him a note to see if he's >>OK. does anyone know? > >I think he's okay: http://chuck.mahost.org/weblog/index.php?p=697 C ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 07:59:14 PDT 2004

20632 [lbo-talk] a good thing about Bill Clinton -- rank: 1000

"The one thing I've always liked about Bill Clinton is that he was the first American president since World War II to bomb white people." -- Seymour Hersh interview <http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/20309/> with Alternet editor Lakshmi Chaudhry, Oct 27, 2004.

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 07:54:23 PDT 2004

20633 [lbo-talk] Re: Tariq Ali Endorses Kerry -- rank: 1000

Brad Mayer wrote: >Or is having a Big Name just a license to say whatever the fuck you >want whenever you want to? Plenty of Small Names do the same. Doug

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Date:	Sat Oct 30 07:51:39 PDT 2004

20634 [lbo-talk] Re: Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

Brad Mayer wrote: >Doug has apparently never heard of "crackpot realism". Actually I have, charmer. > That is exactly wht defines our deeply disoriented, clueless Left, >desperate to return to the supposed good ole days of the status quo >ante before the Evil Chimp messed everything up. Who says that? Oh, I forgot, you're not constrained by the need to produce evidence. >As election day nears, the Left sinks deeper into its own hysterical >morass of hooey. How'd you ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 21:55:23 PDT 2004

20635 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >The vote for Nader (and other third-parties to some extent) will give us >a preliminary count of our forces. You're really commmitted to tiny counts, aren't you? First the 5000 worker march, now this? Doug

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 20:48:18 PDT 2004

20636 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >>He also said that if Kerry is inaugrated on Jan 20, it should be >>greeted with the largest antiwar demo in U.S. history. I agree with >>that too. > >I agree that it should be, but you and I, as well as Ali, know that >it won't be, realistically. Since when does "realism" drive your politics? The whole Nader thing is antireal, a phantasm. Doug

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 15:24:12 PDT 2004

20637 Fwd: [lbo-talk] new radio product -- rank: 1000

Just added to my radio archive <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html>: October 28, 2004 MARATHON SPECIAL: War at home, war abroad - Frances Fox Piven, author of The War at Home, on Bush's domestic agenda: repression, fundamentalism, and freeing capital from taxation * Tariq Ali, author of Bush in Babylon on Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and the importance of Kerry beating Bush it joins -------- October 14, 2004 Sebastian Mallaby, author of The World's Banker, on James Wolfensohn a ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 15:21:16 PDT 2004

20638 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >John Kerry is likely to be the next POTUS. Who knows? Maybe so, and maybe by 5 points. But who knows? > Will Mr. Tariq Ali be advocating a vote for the Republican >presidential candidate in 2008, on the grounds that "you have to >punish him, and the best way to punish him is to remove him from >office" and "[t] here's no third party"? I can't speak for Tariq, but how would anyone know what to do four years from now? Or are you so rigi ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 14:09:32 PDT 2004

20639 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader -- rank: 1000

[an excerpt from an interview with Tariq Ali broadcast on my radio show last night - audio will shortly be up at my radio archive - watch this space for announcements] DH: You've said, on this show among other places, that it's important that Bush lose, which in practical terms means that Kerry must win. Whenever you say these sorts of things you hear people say he's no better, maybe worse, than Bush. How do you sort that out? Tariq Ali: I know. The last time I gave an interview to you on this s ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 12:21:43 PDT 2004

20640 [lbo-talk] The Coming Post-Election Chaos -- rank: 1000

mike larkin wrote: >I say the networks will call it at 8:00 PM Eastern Time, as soon as >polls start closing on the East Coast. They've pledged to Congress not to call any state before its polls close. Doug

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Date:	Fri Oct 29 11:54:56 PDT 2004