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20176 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Those profits do not come from >redistributing surplus created by other capitalist's >workers. They come from overcharging consumers. By the way, even though Wal-Mart has very substantial market power, it's been using that power to drive down wages & prices. About the only major "monopoly" I can think of right now that's overcharging consumers is Microsoft - and a lot of its consumers are businesses, not individuals. Doug

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Date:	Wed Apr 6 11:14:41 PDT 2005

20177 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Those profits do not come from >redistributing surplus created by other capitalist's >workers. They come from overcharging consumers. Which means that some other capitalist's sales are suffering, no? Doug

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20178 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Yeah, I know there's a diff between profits and SV, >profits being realized monetary form of SV. > >As for the corporate abstitence stuff, I am not stuck >on the notion, but isn't the ol' Protestant Ethic >point about the abstitent that they get back their >sacrifices in the form of greater wealh, the >grasshopper and the and, etc? Corporations who invest >in R&D, hwo's that diff? > >T Fast, yes I know that if you stipulate that al ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 6 08:07:53 PDT 2005

20179 [lbo-talk] Schiavo affair hurts Bush & moral agenda -- rank: 1000

USA Today - April 6, 2005 GOP's moral agenda doubted By Susan Page, USA TODAY WASHINGTON - The controversy over Terri Schiavo has raised concerns among many Americans about the moral agenda of the Republican Party and the political power of conservative Christians, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll finds. (Related: Poll results <http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-04-03-poll.htm>) In the survey, most Americans disapprove of the efforts by President Bush and Congress to draw feder ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 6 07:50:39 PDT 2005

20180 [lbo-talk] re:NYU Students Block CIA Recruiters -- rank: 1000

M. Junaid Alam wrote: >All joking aside, Elizabeth Wrigley-Field is a real person, an NYU >student, social activist, and socialist. The report you got is not a >hoax or anything. Thank you. The press release seemed authentic, but the name made me a little afraid it was some belated April Fool's prank. Doug

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Date:	Wed Apr 6 07:39:00 PDT 2005

20181 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

W. Kiernan wrote: > I didn't get the impression that Marx attached a moral odium to the >phrases "exploitation" and "extraction of surplus value," Yup. I'm trying to remember the source and the exact wording of something Marx said about the class struggle. It went something like, between these two forces, there's no right and wrong - only strength prevails. Does anyone know the full cite? Doug

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20182 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

Brad DeLong wrote: >Because I want to save an undergrad who's ODing on capital from >drowning in the swamp that is the labor theory of value... > >Would you wish anybody to disappear into *that* swamp? Never, if you mean this sort of thing: <http://www.greenwich.ac.uk/~fa03/iwgvt2/index.html#top>. That's not the most fortunate aspect of Marx's heritage. But there's so much magnificent stuff in Capital that I hope you're not trying to discourage your student from studying that! ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 6 06:48:01 PDT 2005

20183 [lbo-talk] organize the youth for social democracy! get paid!! -- rank: 1000

*please forward widely* <http://www.ydsusa.org> Work for the Young Democratic Socialists (YDS)! Job Opening: YDS National Organizer Job Description: The YDS National Organizer position is an exciting opportunity for a 20-something who has great organizing, speaking, and social skills and who wants to build a strong left in the United States. The National Organizer is primarily responsible for the maintenance and growth of the Young Democratic Socialists of America, the campus and youth win ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 6 06:41:26 PDT 2005

20184 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: > These erxamples show that there are other >cources of profits than exploitation. I don't want to step into that transformational minefield, but there's a difference between profits, as understood in the modern accounting sense, and surplus value, which can be divided into many different forms (profit, interest, rent, dividends...). And just what is corp abstinence, anyway? They get the investment spending back in profits. Didn't Kalecki say something like work ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 5 16:32:23 PDT 2005

20185 [lbo-talk] Re: lbo-talk Digest, Vol 16, Issue 37 -- rank: 1000

Luke Weiger wrote: >Afterwards, tell me how any sane person could regard Churchill's genocide >claim as anything other than bullshit at best or knowing fabrication at wors >t. Who fucking cares? Doug

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20186 [lbo-talk] Bush approval at 45 -- rank: 1000

Gallup: Bush Approval Rating Lowest Ever for 2nd-Term Prez at this Point By Editor & Publisher Staff Published: April 05, 2005 11:45 AM ET NEW YORK It's not uncommon to hear or read pundits referring to President George W. Bush as a "popular" leader or even a "very popular" one. Even some of his critics in the press refer to him this way. Perhaps they need to check the latest polls. President Bush's approval rating has plunged to the lowest level of any president since Wo ...

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20187 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> >> >>It's weird - Brad picks a pretty wacko example, admits its kind of >>wacko, but then claims it's important and conclusive anyway. Why >>does Marx make smart people do silly things? > >Dunno, but I'm inclined to do something silly by >uncharacteristically saying a good word on BDeL's behalf. I think >there is something to his conclusion, i.e.: "If you want to make a >comp ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 5 14:54:59 PDT 2005

20188 [lbo-talk] ADL anti-Semitism poll -- rank: 1000

<http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=45274> ADL Survey: Anti-Semitism Declines Slightly in America; 14 Percent of Americans Hold 'Strong' Anti-Semitic Beliefs 4/4/2005 9:34:00 AM To: National Desk WASHINGTON, April 4 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A nationwide survey released today by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) shows a slight decline in the number of Americans who hold anti-Semitic attitudes, from its 2002 findings, demonstrating once again that "anti-Semitic beliefs endure in ...

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20189 [lbo-talk] Delong puts the smackdown on ol' Whiskers -- rank: 1000

Michael Perelman wrote: >Brad seems to attribute the growth of productivity to the saving of >independent >farmers outside of the market in his example. In other words, he >explains the way >capitalists exploit by the way self-sufficient farmers save. Marx >had fun mocking >this abstinence theory -- look in Capital under Nassau Senior. > >If you believe that modern corporations actually operate like Brad's farmers, >depriving themselves rather than their workers, ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 5 13:51:08 PDT 2005

20190 [lbo-talk] inflation-corrected gas prices? -- rank: 1000

Andy F wrote: >I thought somebody here might have a quick source >this: some sort of inflation corrected measure of gas >prices in the US going back at least to the 60's, back >to the 20's would be even better.... My favorite measure - number of minutes it would take a worker paid the average hourly wage to pay for the average gallon of gas: <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/WorkMinutes4Gas.gif>. There are a lot of problems with using price indexes to make long-term comparis ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 5 13:33:37 PDT 2005