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196 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 12, 2013, at 1:07 PM, mjs at smithbowen.net wrote: >> I think it is primarily housing patterns (which determines school >> distribution) and the War on Drugs that are the primary material bases of >> racist ideology. And the _causal_ pattern is _from_ housing _to_ "racism," >> not the other direction. The effect of the ideology is to create mass >> _comfort_ with the social realities that cause the ideology. And there is >> no >> way o ...

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197 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Michael Smith <mjs at smithbowen.net> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:25:43 -0400 > Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >> 2012 is part of a long-term uptrend, as the linked graph shows. And >> it's not clear that all that voter suppression crap will work - it >> may piss people off enough to make an extra effort to vote. > > And much good it will do them. Well, yeah, but, you know.

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198 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "JOANNA A." <123hop at comcast.net> wrote: > Black voter turnout figures for 2012 don't tell me much because of the Obama factor. > > You would agree, I think, that the latest SCOTUS decision is likely to hurt black voting. 2012 is part of a long-term uptrend, as the linked graph shows. And it's not clear that all that voter suppression crap will work - it may piss people off enough to make an extra effort to vote.

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199 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:28 PM, JOANNA A. <123hop at comcast.net> wrote: > Incarceration? booming. (One might want to argue that incarceration is better than lynching. But I suspect most would prefer a beating to ten years in jail.) > > Voting rights? Declining due to recent SCOTUS decision and disenfranchisement due to incarceration. > > Educational opportunities? Declining. Incarceration rates peaked a few years ago and are declining slowly (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf ...

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200 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "JOANNA A." <123hop at comcast.net> wrote: > I think that cuts both ways. Some might discriminate against college grads because they'll leave at the earliest opportunity. The NY Fed has put out some actual data on all this, which I wrote up here: http://lbo-news.com/2013/06/27/new-college-grads-could-be-worse/ The underemployment rate (the share of college grads holding jobs for which bachelor s degrees are not required) is high, but surprisingly ...

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201 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Marv Gandall <marvgand2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Well, since you ask, Michael Smith ("I find harping about racism (or, worse yet, 'structural racism') so tiresome and retro") and Wojtek ("This discussion had relevance some 70 to 50 years ago, but it is becoming irrelevant today"), and I thought yourself, at least initially ("This notion of white supremacy is way way out of date - which, of course, doesn't stop people from robotically r ...

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202 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Marv Gandall <marvgand2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Racism Is Retro school And who are the members of this alleged school?

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203 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:34 PM, "JOANNA A." <123hop at comcast.net> wrote: > A few things spring to mind: > > 1) You oppose the privatization of schools and the defunding of education > 2) You oppose the criminalization of drugs > 3) You support the social safety net > 4) You oppose social policies that encourage the destruction of families Where do I sign on?

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204 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:03 AM, michael yates <mikedjyates at msn.com> wrote: > Doug asks what should we do about the racial disparities. Let me turn this back on you and ask what you think should be done. The essay I wrote from which the data that I gave comes offers some suggestions. Paul Le Blanc and I have a book coming out in August, titled "A Freedom Budget for All Americans > Recapturing the Promise of the Civil Rights Movement in the Struggle for Economic Justice Today.&qu ...

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205 [lbo-talk] White Supremacy (was Tim Wise) -- rank: 1000

Everyone keeps pointing to racial disparities, which are undeniable unless you're a reactionary. The point is, what do you do about it? You can't attack "racism." The legal environment is very different now from the days of formal segregation. Jumping up and down, pointing and screaming "racist!" doesn't do squat. Doug

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206 [lbo-talk] White supremacy (Was Tim Wise ) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:06 PM, Marv Gandall <marvgand2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry if you think I was being unfair. I understood the context, and replied that "overt expressions of racism are no longer acceptable, particularly among urban liberal professionals. But though the culture is now more tolerant and opportunities have opened up for educated blacks, the economic disparities between blacks and whites, characteristic of the class system since slavery, not only persist, but seem ...

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207 [lbo-talk] White supremacy (Was Tim Wise ) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Marv Gandall <marvgand2 at gmail.com> wrote: > But it does argue against the notion that race has been an outdated concept since 1957 or thereabouts Actual context: > I'm reading Shamus Khan's excellent book on St Paul's School, Privilege. The school, once a major institution of the old WASP establishment, has "diversified" itself enormously over the last generation. Khan, the son of upwardly mobile immigrants from Pakistan, went there and taught ...

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208 [lbo-talk] White supremacy (Was Tim Wise ) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com> wrote: > Aaaand here is where I get confused. I thought Marx spent most of his life > showing how abstract, agentless, uh, things and processes dominate under > capitalism. If you are going avoid abstractions that have no agency, why > not just go all liberal: racism exists because of racists, accumulation > exists because people are greedy, etc. Huh? Marx investigated how work was organized and how physical, hum ...

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209 [lbo-talk] White supremacy (Was Tim Wise.) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:34 PM, "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > There is a severe problem of naming here. The word "Racism" only makes sense > as referring to an ideology, and it is nonsense to speak of "figting" an > ideology: one needs rather to destroy the material base of the ideology. But > the "problem" of the "Color Line" remains as central to u.s. politics as it > was when Du Bois wrote a century ago. It is NOT ...

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210 [lbo-talk] White supremacy (Was Tim Wise ) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Marv Gandall <marvgand2 at gmail.com> wrote: > The Racial Wealth Gap Increases Fourfold in One Generation Ok, that's wealth, not income. Which is an important material source of a lot of racial disparities people point to, the accretion of generations of income inequality and, for middle-income people, differences in homeownership. These disparities are often attributed to abstractions like "racism" and "white supremacy," things that have ...

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