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19231 [lbo-talk] Churchill - the issue is academic freedom -- rank: 1000

Thomas Brown wrote: >I agree with this thesis of Wiener's, although he oversells the >case. Especially >so wrt Bellisles, who--like Churchill--did a lot more than get a >footnote wrong. In Wiener's account, the major prob was that he omitted two years in his history table, because they were the years during which the revolutionaries were given weapons, and would be misleading about the level of gun ownership. If he'd disclosed this in a note, it would've been ok. I don't know - I'm j ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 19 16:00:49 PST 2005

19232 [lbo-talk] Terms of Debate was Terrain of Struggle was O'Reilly vs Churchill -- rank: 1000

amadeus amadeus wrote: >I'm frankly suprised that folks are rejecting the >abstention from ascribing motives as a reasonable term >of debate. Can we remove ourselves from the situation >at hand and whatever axes we have to grind and ask >ourselves how we can ever really know someone's motive >in stating something or doing something? Apart from >clairvoyance, I really don't see how that's possible. It's not possible for us to observe lots of things directly; we still think a ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 19 15:47:53 PST 2005

19233 [lbo-talk] Churchill - the issue is academic freedom -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >I've read Churchill's works and they are well-documented. I wouldn't >be surprised if he gets a few citations wrong here and there, but >which academic doesn't make mistakes? This is just so trivial. Check out Jon Wiener's Historians in Trouble. In the late 70s, Allan Weinstein, ex-head of the National Endowment for Democracy, wrote a book "proving" Alger Hiss was a commie rat, claiming he based it on interviews with Russian sources. Victor Navasky, then just ta ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 19 15:21:55 PST 2005

19234 [lbo-talk] Tariq Ali on Bush's victory -- rank: 1000

[excerpt from my radio interview with Tariq Ali, broadcast Feb 10 - will be posted shortly - I must confess that the "people have spoken and we disagree" line is originally from Liza, not me] DH: You thought it was important to defeat George Bush in November. That didn't happen, so what do you think of the second Bush administration and the political prospects surrounding it? TA: You remember I pointed out - against all those who said that a victory for Bush would help the antiwar move ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 19 13:53:38 PST 2005

19235 [lbo-talk] Churchill - the issue is academic freedom -- rank: 1000

Gar Lipow wrote: >If you are wrong, and he is in fact >fired, then your essay will have helped ensure that a tenured academic >with unpopular opinions was fired for those opinions - regardless of >the truth or falsity of your essay. Yup. Churchill isn't known primarily as a scholar, but as a political figure. He's not in trouble for fucking up a footnote - as Jon Wiener shows in his book Historians in Trouble (I'll be posting the radio show with my interview with Wiener in a day ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 19 12:26:33 PST 2005

19236 [lbo-talk] birthday -- rank: 1000

Today would be the 103rd birthday of F.O. Matthiessen, the gay left literary critic who killed himself in despondency over the death of his long-time lover and over the McCarthy-era witch-hunts. His gift of several thousand dollars (how much was it exactly, John?) was crucial to the founding of Monthly Review. Doug

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Date:	Sat Feb 19 12:17:18 PST 2005

19237 [lbo-talk] O'Reilly vs Churchill: treason? sedition? -- rank: 1000

jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net wrote: >I fear this is the beginning of a thread arguing the machinations >within AIM and hope it >doesn't come to that. This is definitely not the time or place for >that discussion. No it's not, and I sure didn't intend to start a discussion like that. Doug

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 14:55:42 PST 2005

19238 [lbo-talk] O'Reilly vs Churchill: treason? sedition? -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: > >>You realize that AIM hates Churchill > >One faction of AIM. > >I don't think any of us want to get involved in the minefield of AIM >movement politics. Absolutely not. T Brown was treating Churchill and AIM almost as if they were synonyms - I was objecting to that. As for parsing the disputes, much less taking sides - forget about it! Doug

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 12:41:17 PST 2005

19239 [lbo-talk] O'Reilly vs Churchill: treason? sedition? -- rank: 1000

Thomas Brown wrote: >The essay was written a year or two ago as a first draft addressed >to myself, to eventually be revised into a piece of a long-term project >on ethnic nationalist movements in the US. I thought it might be a >piece to effectively demonstrate how such movements rewrite history >to fit their contemporary political aims. To give you an idea of the >context: Another piece of that chapter analyzes the recent use of >Lost Cause revisionism by neo-Confederate s ...

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 11:35:57 PST 2005

19240 [lbo-talk] Terrain of Struggle was O'Reilly vs Churchill -- rank: 1000

Michael Dawson wrote: >Personally, I don't see the witch-hunt in the Churchill case Then you need new glasses or something. Doug

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 11:16:44 PST 2005

19241 [lbo-talk] oilworkers to occupiers: get out -- rank: 1000

Guardian (London) - February 18, 2005 >From the first days of the US-British invasion of Iraq, oil workers have resisted foreign occupation Hassan Juma'a Awad We lived through dark days under Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. When the regime fell, people wanted a new life: a life without shackles and terror; a life where we could rebuild our country and enjoy its natural wealth. Instead, our communities have been attacked with chemicals and cluster bombs, and our people tortured, raped and kille ...

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 10:57:37 PST 2005

19242 [lbo-talk] Terrain of Struggle was O'Reilly vs Churchill -- rank: 1000

Chip Berlet wrote: >Carrol Cox makes me crazy sometimes, Me more than sometimes! > but if he was targetted by a smear campaign I would expect all of >us to rise up in his defense as a matter of principle. I would, and hope everyone else would too. Hell, I'd even stand in defense of Proyect! Doug

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 07:10:17 PST 2005

19243 [lbo-talk] How Bush Really Won -- rank: 1000

NY Review of Books - March 10, 2005 Bush's Victory: Second Thoughts By Andrew Hacker, Paul Cohen, Reply by Mark Danner In response to How Bush Really Won (January 13, 2005) To the Editors: Mark Danner's "How Bush Really Won" [NYR, January 13] is easily the best explanation I have seen. His conversations with Florida voters gave unusual depth to his analysis, and prompt these observations of my own. The majority that the Bush-Rove campaign mustered came from the center of the middle cla ...

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Date:	Fri Feb 18 07:03:48 PST 2005

19244 [lbo-talk] Summers transcript -- rank: 1000

Haven't had time to read this yet, but Larry Summers has finally posted the text of his remarks that caused the pre-Churchill controversy: <http://www.president.harvard.edu/speeches/2005/nber.html>. Doug

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Date:	Thu Feb 17 18:59:56 PST 2005

19245 [lbo-talk] Bush to Farmers: Thank you for your votes, now drop dead -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >TOLEDO, Ohio - Some farmers from battleground election >states who campaigned and voted for President Bush >(news - web sites) say they are not happy about >proposed cuts in federal farm subsidies and other >agriculture programs. I could be polite and ask what were they thinking, but I could be rude and just say "fuck 'em." Doug

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Date:	Thu Feb 17 15:34:01 PST 2005