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1891 [lbo-talk] James McMurtry - "We can't make it here"?? -- rank: 1000

On Jul 5, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Miles Jackson wrote: > I think this the point where we diverge. For me, capitalism doesn't estrange workers from some geniune, natural tendencies that precede all social relations Isn't the Marxist concept of alienation mostly about the product of labor, and the way we relate to each other via the exchange of commodities rather than direct social relations? Doug

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1892 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Response to MG -- Was Poll.... -- rank: 1000

On Jul 4, 2011, at 2:45 PM, lbo83235 wrote: > I'd personally appreciate greater caution, particularly given the petty disrespectfulness of the message you mistakenly posted. Please try harder to keep that out of my face. You're kidding, right? That's mild, compared with the routine vitriol of the target. Doug

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1893 [lbo-talk] Response to MG -- Was Poll.... -- rank: 1000

On Jul 4, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > The earnest fellow is a retired prof emiritus of English lit who is organizing the world revolution from Bloomington, Indiana. Minor correction: Bloomington, Illinois. Doug

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1894 [lbo-talk] first steps (cont.) -- rank: 1000

[The full digest was appended, taking this over the 25k length limit.] From: John Glastonbury <jglastonbury at gmail.com> Date: July 3, 2011 7:42:17 PM EDT To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Subject: Re: lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1618, Issue 1 Thank you; it's not easy doing what I need to do; especially not out in the political wilderness. Do you have a 401k? Or any assets in the stock market? If not, I'm sure there at least a few marxists who do, especially academics with 401k plans and the like. We ...

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1895 [lbo-talk] How bad the recession? -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:12 PM, SA wrote: > I'm not sure if this is in reference to what we were talking about last month at your place, In part. But also I was countering the assertion that because the EPR fell during the expansion, recession was nigh. > but if it is...yes, but the same thing happened in the 1950's: In July 1953 it was 57.4% and in April 1960 it was 56.4%. But that period covers a couple of cycles, The EPR rose in both the 1954-57 and 1958-60 expansions. The 2001-2007 was the ...

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1896 [lbo-talk] How bad the recession? -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:30 PM, SA wrote: > So far, the employment rate has *fallen* by a percentage point since the *end* of the recession. It's now lower than its 2010 average. So judging by current trends, we'll have double-digit unemployment again within a few years. BY the way, the employment/pop ratio fell during the 2001-2007 expansion. It was 63.0% in November 2001, and ended at 62.7% in December 2007. Doug

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1897 [lbo-talk] How bad the recession? -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:30 PM, SA wrote: > On 7/3/2011 3:11 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> My guess is that we're going to have a shitty economy for years, but not an outright recession. > > The recession's been over for 23 months. The average postwar recovery lasted 59 months. That would leave us with three years until the next recession. But recessions happen in part because of excesses in the expansion. Ain't no excesses around to correct now.

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1898 [lbo-talk] How bad the recession? -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:29 AM, James Heartfield wrote: > I was arguing with a friend about this, and wondered what the view was here. > Apart from the rhetorical arguments etc. what would listers say was the answer > > 1. Have living standards fallen since end of 2008? > 2. By how much? > 3. How does that compare with recessions of, say 1980, or 1930? > 4. Is there worse to come? > 5. Are there regional differences? For the U.S., it's hard to say how much "living standa ...

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1899 [lbo-talk] p.s. to my last post -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Michael Smith wrote: >> On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:44 AM, James Heartfield wrote: > >>> State education has consistently encouraged working-class children to accept their lot in life. >> >> Depends on where you are. In the U.S., it does. In other countries, >> it seems to lessen, not intensify, class differences. > > What countries are those? Not a combative > or rhetorical question -- I really want to know. Most of the better-p ...

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1900 [lbo-talk] p.s. to my last post -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:44 AM, James Heartfield wrote: > Where they teach you how to be thick > State education has consistently encouraged working-class children to accept their lot in life. Depends on where you are. In the U.S., it does. In other countries, it seems to lessen, not intensify, class differences. But what's your alternative? Child labor? Doug

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1901 [lbo-talk] The shell game continues -- rank: 1000

On Jul 1, 2011, at 12:29 AM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Who's buying stock and what they're using to buy it with.... > > http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-story-behind-the-market-boom-2011-06-29?source=patrick.net Treat any data coming from TrimTabs with extreme caution.

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1902 [lbo-talk] July 1 -- rank: 1000

Happy Canada Day, all you Canucks!

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1903 [lbo-talk] as if on cue -- rank: 1000

On Jan 31, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Dissenting Wren wrote: > And Goethe did his university studies in Strasbourg/Strassburg. But I don't > know many leftists who "regard the nation as some sort of eternal form of human > social life." As far as I can tell, the Benedict Anderson/Imagined Communities > perspective is pretty much current leftist common sense. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Angelus Novus <fuerdenkommunismus at yahoo.com> > To: lbo-talk at ...

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1904 [lbo-talk] [Pen-l] Israel's Facebook status -- rank: 1000

On Jan 31, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote: > it means that US, Israel, the EU have no idea what they're doing. Didn't the Wikileaks reveal that the U.S. does know what it's doing? For example, Achcar noted that the U.S. embassy in Tunisia had a pretty analysis of the domestic political situation. I haven't read huge gobs of the material, but the analysis seems pretty sophisticated to me. I suppose you could do worse than assume that Washington mostly knows what it's doing, as appalling ...

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1905 [lbo-talk] How Much Do College Students Learn, and Study? -- rank: 1000

On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:48 PM, SA wrote: > But the U.S. stands out for its younger cohorts experiencing by far the smallest gains. Like I said the other day, the U.S. is about the only country in the world in which young adults are not surpassing the educational attainment of older adults. This is one reason why Robert Gordon http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/economics/gordon/w15834_future%20productivity_100301.pdf is gloomy about our productivity future. Doug

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