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18691 [lbo-talk] Lieberman: "Roberts a decent guy" -- rank: 1000

Barring divine or satanic intervention, Roberts is a done deal, right? Isn't it a waste of time and resources to fight it? Doug

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Date:	Thu Jul 21 10:20:41 PDT 2005

18692 [lbo-talk] Iran executes two gay teens -- rank: 1000

New from DIRELAND, July 21, 2005 IRAN EXECUTES TWO GAY TEENAGERS Two gay teenage youths -- one 18, the other believed to be 16 or 17 -- were hanged this week for the "crime" of homosexuality in the Iranian city of Mashhad, according to a report by the Iranian Student News Agency which was translated from Farsi by the British gay rights group OutRage! and released in London today, along with photos of the teens' execution. For details, and to see the photos, click on: <http://direla ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 21 07:24:14 PDT 2005

18693 [lbo-talk] China's growth -- rank: 1000

James Heartfield wrote: >Uhlas: "Don't China's exports to the developed world make >substantial contribution to economic growth?" > >It certainly does, but those exports also make a substantial >contribution to indigenous development (which was not always the >case when the 'comprador' capitalist class subordinated Chinese >development to foreign investment in the early 20C.). China's >development today is pushed forward by funds from returning >expatriate Ch ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 21 07:04:30 PDT 2005

18694 [lbo-talk] China loosens yuan peg an eensy bit -- rank: 1000

WSJ.com - July 21, 2005 China Drops Yuan's Dollar Peg, Will Let Currency Float in Band By MICHAEL M. PHILLIPS Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL China announced suddenly its long awaited change to its currency policy, saying it will no longer peg the yuan to the U.S. dollar but instead let it float in a tight band against a basket of foreign currencies. The yuan has been strengthened, effective immediately, to a rate of 8.11 to the U.S. dollar -- compared to the 8.28 it has been set at fo ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 21 06:18:11 PDT 2005

18695 [lbo-talk] Bill O'Reilly is so scene! -- rank: 1000

B. wrote: >I like Bill "Spock Rock" O'Reilly there. Brit Hume is cute as a punk. Hell, Brit Hume is cute. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 21:11:34 PDT 2005

18696 [lbo-talk] volume -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: 5 posts Monday. 8 posts Tuesday. 7 posts so far today. The limit is 3.

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 17:04:39 PDT 2005

18697 [lbo-talk] Western states have created the biggest wars in history ( was fartback) -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: >Course, why bother to look at these, Lance.Continue on w/ your >simplistic, One and Only Great Satan theory. Why do you bother? There's something sectarian about this impulse. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 16:55:18 PDT 2005

18698 [lbo-talk] manna for conspiracists (cont.) -- rank: 1000

Gary Indiana writes about some interesting material in his fine new book on Arnie, Schwarzenegger Syndrome (just out from the New Press - I'll be posting my interview with him imminently). Seems like a rich field for conspiracists. Go to work, folks! Through the 1990s, American Media Inc (AMI), run by someone called David Pecker (heh-heh, he said "pecker"), acquired most of the supermarket tabloids. The tabloids love to print sensational stuff about Arnie, among other things. Then ther ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 14:35:15 PDT 2005

18699 [lbo-talk] Western states have created the biggest wars in history (was fartback) -- rank: 1000

amadeus amadeus wrote: >Wow, reminds me of the cops who arrested my friends at >the RNC: "Yeah, I agree with your guys' message and >all, I just don't agree with your tactics", i.e. I'm >still going to beat the shit out of you, arrest you >and throw you in a puddle of piss. How anyone can be >sitting around scratching their head wondering why >folks respond this way to distortions of genocide is >beyond me. Ok, I'll be blunt: I don't fucking want to read that st ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 14:02:08 PDT 2005

18700 [lbo-talk] Leigh flips out -- rank: 1000

Could we avoid subject headings that name listmembers and characterize their behavior? As someone pointed out to me offlist, it encourages flaming, which is the last thing that needs encouragement. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 13:56:24 PDT 2005

18701 [lbo-talk] Leigh flips out -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >It's an easy excuse to say it's not up for discussion when >progressives haven't won the debate, but it's just a copout to say >the big questions are never debated. Ownership of the means of production? The structure of finance and its relation to class power? When's the last time those were up for discussion? It's been about a hundred years. Doug

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 13:36:16 PDT 2005

18702 [lbo-talk] the wit & wisdom of Cal Thomas -- rank: 1000

<http://jewishworldreview.com/0705/thomas071905.php3> Jewish World Review - July 19, 2005 What happened to unconditional surrender? By Cal Thomas DOLGELLAU, Wales - Thank goodness for those history channels that bring back the generals and politicians of the past who, by contrast, make many of today's leaders look indecisive. I saw President Harry Truman on one of them last week. In a speech to the nation near the end of World War II, Truman rejected suggestions that the Allies seek accomm ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 12:54:06 PDT 2005

18703 [lbo-talk] Western states have created the biggest wars in history ( was fartback) -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > And CB has of coarse looked at scholarly sources on this.And read >up on the 2-3 million killed in the Congo in the 90's, 800,000 in >Rwanda, slaughter in Algeria, Which of course had nothing to do with the heritage of imperialism? Add up the body count for the colonization of the Americas, Africa, and South Asia, plus two world wars, plus Indochina, plus Iraq sanctions - an incomplete list - and you've got 500 years of bloodbaths. What's your point here? Ev ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 09:32:09 PDT 2005

18704 [lbo-talk] Western states have created the biggest wars in history (was fartback) -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >It's much worse than merely false. It is as close to evil as one can >imagine words to be. It betokens either profound ignorance, a failure >ever to have read any history of the last 500 years, even elemetary >school level history, or what, given Wojtek's history of racist slurs at >African Americans, a real belief that the deaths of non-europeans don't >count. Because those democracies he praises, as anyone who knows >anything must realize, have waged an ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 20 08:15:41 PDT 2005

18705 [lbo-talk] Leigh flips out -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > I wasn't expecting such cynicism from Jenny. Well, maybe that's because you're being too pollyanna-ish. As Clinton advisor Richard Feinberg put it years ago, democracy only works when there's fundamental agreement on the nature of property. The big questions are just not up for electoral decision. Doug

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Date:	Tue Jul 19 15:41:15 PDT 2005