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18526 [lbo-talk] nice shaft -- rank: 1000

I was disagreeing with what I presumed your point was. Sorry if I missed on any aspect. snitsnat wrote: >gee, thanks for ignoring what i said and restating it as if you said >it. nice trick. > >At 12:18 PM 6/1/2005, Doug Henwood wrote: >>snitsnat wrote: >> >>>hmmmm. the very fact that we can talk about interracial marriage >>>is proof of the racists' defeat.... rolling that one around... >> >>Buchanan is onto something, even if he is overstat ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 1 10:07:09 PDT 2005

18527 [lbo-talk] nice shaft -- rank: 1000

snitsnat wrote: >hmmmm. the very fact that we can talk about interracial marriage is >proof of the racists' defeat.... rolling that one around... Buchanan is onto something, even if he is overstating his case. The legalization of interracial marriage was certainly a major defeat for formalized racial segregation. Obviously racism has not gone away, but the fact that it's impossible to advocate against interracial marriage in public today is a sign that - as Buchanan said of same-sex marria ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 1 09:18:25 PDT 2005

18528 [lbo-talk] nice shaft -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >These are not reasons to oppose gay marriage. They are >reasons to contemplate how radical a challenge it is >to traditionalist norms. I agree with a lot of what you say - but the traditionalists find it a mega-challenge to heteronormativity. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 1 09:15:43 PDT 2005

18529 [lbo-talk] nice shaft -- rank: 1000

snitsnat quoted: >American Family Association boycotts Ford over gay issues We watched Pat Buchanan talking about his new book on how the right has lost the culture war on O'Reilly the other night. Buchanan said the very fact that we're talking about gay marriage at all is proof of the traditionalists' defeat. He's right. They can still cause a lot of trouble, and it may take a long time, but the social reactionaries are on the wane. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 1 08:00:30 PDT 2005

18530 [lbo-talk] UE's gadget -- rank: 1000

[via Eric Lee's Labourstart] AN OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE OF HOW TO USE THE NET Every once in a while you see a trade union do something really original and innovative on the Internet. I saw one of these this morning. If you go to http://www.ueinternational.org/shop/ you'll see what I mean. A union in the United States wants to show its members and the general public what globalization really means. Instead of just writing an article about it, or showing graphs and charts, they've created a terrific ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 1 07:46:23 PDT 2005

18531 [lbo-talk] Let's review basic social science (was 'Desertion Rates') -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: >CB simpletons I doubt you mean Carrie Bradshaw - do you mean Charles Brown? Charles is not a simpleton, and you shouldn't call him one on this list. I don't want to see this kind of invective here. Michael, you seem agitated. As the soundbite at the beginning of some WFMU show - maybe it's Dave the Spazz's - says, "calm down, take a stress pill, relax." Doug

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Date:	Wed Jun 1 07:45:24 PDT 2005

18532 [lbo-talk] Fwd: june issue of MR devoted to labor -- rank: 1000

From: "MICHAEL YATES" <mikedjyates at msn.com> Subject: june issue of MR devoted to labor Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:29:34 -0700 Dear friends, I call your attention to the June issue of Monthly Review, which is devoted to labor. This is a special 88-page volume, with articles on labor movements in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela. Contributors include Paul Buhle, Elly Leary, David Bacon, Fernando Gapasin, Dan La Botz, and Jonah Gindin. I think it an outstanding i ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 1 07:27:12 PDT 2005

18533 [lbo-talk] Re:texan who quit the minutemen over racism -- rank: 1000

Frank Scott wrote: >"My activist friends on the West Coast who are doing >anti-Minuteman organizing tell me that the Minuteman are >basically a front group for white supremacist extremists." > >sadly, that's the same mentality that woud tell you that >anti-war organizing for peace in iraq is a front for >supporters of osama bin laden and terrorism... Wow, Frank. So we're supposed to be nice to a bunch of guys who are strapping on guns to stop Mexicans from crossing ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jul 31 16:17:19 PDT 2005

18534 [lbo-talk] DRG on structural engineering -- rank: 1000

This is a beaut - an exchange between 9/11 conspiracist David Ray Griffin and Amy Goodman (with Chip Berlet also on the line): <http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/26/150221> [...] AMY GOODMAN: Can you name an expert you have relied on, for example on the issue of the world trade center towers going down, expert in structural engineering who has said it is impossible for the explanation to be the planes hit, and the fires caused the towers to go down? DAVID RAY GRIFFIN: Well, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jul 31 14:25:18 PDT 2005

18535 [lbo-talk] Israeli conscientious objector organization, "Courage to Refuse", shuts down after 3 years -- rank: 1000

The report says the media lost interest, but what's happening with refusal itself? And what ideological crisis? Doug Bryan wrote: >The most centrist of the Israeli consientious objector organizations, >and one which only counts officers, called "Courage To Refuse", >apparently closed down their offices. >(http://www.seruv.org.il/english/default.asp) > >But, don't worry, the long established Israeli conscientious >organizations such as Yesh Gvul (http://www.yeshgvul ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jul 31 13:54:07 PDT 2005

18536 [lbo-talk] WBAI scores with holocaust denalist's premium -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Michael Perelman wrote: >>I hope that he is correct that Linux is a marxist conspiracy. We >>need more marxist conspiracies. > >Linux is more like an anarchist phenomenon than anything Marxist. To a lunatic like Hufschmid there's no diff between an anarchist and a Marxist. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jul 31 13:51:52 PDT 2005

18537 [lbo-talk] WBAI scores with holocaust denalist's premium -- rank: 1000

mike larkin wrote: >Time to consider cutting your ties to the station? No. It's too valuable a resource to let go down in flames, and there are still a lot of good people around WBAI. Doug

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Date:	Sun Jul 31 12:03:28 PDT 2005

18538 [lbo-talk] more Hufschmid -- rank: 1000

More from WBAI's new best friend, Eric Hufschmid. Note: Noreen Gosch thinks her kid was kidnapped 20 years ago while delivering newspapers and reappeared recently as "Jeff Gannon." Doug ---- <http://erichufschmid.net/Axis_of_Perverts.html> Do we suffer from an "Axis of Perverts"? How are the managers of NASA selected? How does our military decide who to promote? How do book publishers decide which author to promote? How do television networks decide who becomes a news r ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jul 31 11:59:41 PDT 2005

18539 [lbo-talk] David McReynolds: Goodbye Iraq -- rank: 1000

From: "David Mcreynolds" <david.mcr at earthlink.net> Subject: Goodbye Iraq Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:56:21 -0400 I'm always (or often) reluctant to feel I really know what is happening in Iraq. The only people who ever seem really sure of themselves are Bush and Rumsfeld (and, when being interviewed on CNN, the Generals). And they have thus far been consistently wrong from day one. Buchanan is not speaking from the "left", but, arch conservative that he is, he sometim ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Jul 31 11:19:04 PDT 2005

18540 [lbo-talk] WBAI scores with holocaust denalist's premium -- rank: 1000

I mentioned last week that the star premium of WBAI's fundraiser was a 9/11 conspiracy video. Turns out the producer of the video is a Holocaust denialist (who also believes the Apollo moon landings were a hoax). This is really fucking depressing. Check this loon out for yourself at <http://www.erichufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm>. Doug

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Date:	Sun Jul 31 09:12:51 PDT 2005