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17821 [lbo-talk] Marriage and Prostitution -- rank: 1000

joanna wrote: >But just as celebrating abortion is not the right move in support of >feminism; neither is saying "sex work is just another job" ... >because ultimately we don't all want to be whores of any stripe. Your choice of words here suggests that you're viewing the prostitute as the prototype for all workers, not seeing the prostitute as an instance of the whole class of exploited workers. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 9 10:16:53 PDT 2005

17822 [lbo-talk] "kooks" -- rank: 1000

joanna wrote: >It's interesting that Doug and you approached from your side are >deemed "kooks" -- can't make that out at all. But that Doug's entry >is quite "respectable"...no kook anywhere. It was edited out. We were both briefly described as "kooks," then undescribed. <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doug_Henwood&oldid=12293163> >Doug Henwood (born December 7, 1952) is an American kook who writes >frequently about economic affa ...

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Date:	Mon May 9 10:15:00 PDT 2005

17823 [lbo-talk] Stop Labeling and Start Organizing! -- rank: 1000

Charles Brown wrote: >If you want to reach people where I live Not sure what you mean by this, but a lot of African-Americans are very relgious, and hold very traditional views of morality. Do you think that's a problem? Doug

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Date:	Mon May 9 10:03:25 PDT 2005

17824 [lbo-talk] Stop Labeling and Start Organizing! -- rank: 1000

Chip Berlet wrote: >If you goal is building a mass progressive movement for social >change, then starting out by offending some 35% of the U.S. >population by calling them stupid names is probably not a good idea. Part of the problem with U.S. politics, and the maldevelopment of U.S. society in general, is that we're drowning in piety. I understand the realities of working with the hand you're dealt, but I'm not going to give up on the fantasy of a secular society freed of superstition. ...

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Date:	Mon May 9 09:54:33 PDT 2005

17825 [lbo-talk] Marriage and Prostitution -- rank: 1000

snitsnat wrote: >Oh, and also, I'd say it's vital to support unions for sex workers. >One of the problems, as Carrol has alluded to, is that unionizing >today is somewhat more difficult because you don't have the >advantage of masses of people working in one plant. And the $pread magazine gang says one of their major intentions is to create channels of communication among sex workers that don't exist now. Biju Mathew's book Taxi, just coming out from The New Press, has a lot about ho ...

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Date:	Mon May 9 08:08:28 PDT 2005

17826 [lbo-talk] Andrea Dworkin, Sexual Fascist -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese quoted: > It should be noted that Dworkin is not attacking the idea of >gender roles, but the reality of sexual distinction itself. In its >place she offers a so-called `androgynous ethic' She tries to >defend this androgynous ethic by claiming that there are no biological >differences between "men" and "women" which would make any sexual >difference possible. Here pseudo-science, religion, and out and out >fantasy are marshaled by Dw ...

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Date:	Mon May 9 07:48:43 PDT 2005

17827 [lbo-talk] quote -- rank: 1000

Miles Jackson wrote: >Marx is arguing that capitalist social relations presuppose independent >agents; what's the problem here? I guess we've been through this >before on the list (the agency/individualism/independence stuff), >but this seems like a pretty basic Marxist point. Not just that, but to accuse Marx of not fully understanding that "independence" as a socially created arrangement is to miss one of Marx's major points. I thought that passage captured the complexit ...

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Date:	Mon May 9 07:04:40 PDT 2005

17828 [lbo-talk] Holy Quran&#9619;s Urdu translator arrested -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >Now that you bring it up, Partition really puts Putin's comment >about the Soviet Union's break-up being "the greatest geo-political >disaster of the last century" in proper perspective. Partition >caused a million deaths, many of them in truly horrible ways, plus >countless rapes and beatings and 20 million refugees. The Soviet >Union's break-up was a bad thing, but not in the same class. The breakup of the USSR threw scores of millions into ...

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Date:	Sun May 8 07:37:55 PDT 2005

17829 [lbo-talk] $pread $taffer re$pond$ -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Some leftists are X. > >Some sex workers are X. > >Both equally vicious. <yawn>

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Date:	Sun May 8 07:28:49 PDT 2005

17830 [lbo-talk] quote -- rank: 1000

Autoplectic wrote: >On 5/7/05, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> Marx, Grundrisse, p. 161, on the expanding scope of capitalist >> markets and the urge for acquiring information that it produces: >> >> >the beauty and greatness of it: this spontaneous interconnection, >> >this material and mental metabolism which is independent of the >> >knowing and willing of individuals, and which presupposes their >> >reciproca ...

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Date:	Sun May 8 07:05:13 PDT 2005

17831 [lbo-talk] $pread $taffer re$pond$ -- rank: 1000

[I forwarded some of the less approving comments from this thread to the $pread magazine staffers I interviewed. Here's a response from Raven Strega.] >Hey, Doug, > >Lots of people have substance abuse problems. Some of them are sex workers. >Others work on Wall Street, or at McDonalds, or in your local independent >bookstore. Some people who sruggle with addiction are teachers and doctors. > >Also, lots of sex workers, who may work outdoors or indoors, do not >have iss ...

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Date:	Sun May 8 06:52:26 PDT 2005

17832 [lbo-talk] From failed, surreal dreams to a plague of fantasies -- rank: 1000

snitsnat wrote: >i'm a slut for money. That's money for you. This inspired me to ransack my Grundrisse notes for this (pp. 221, 222): >Money is therefore the god among commodities.... From its servile >role, in which it appears as mere medium of circulation, it suddenly >changes into the lord and god of the world of commodities. It >represents the divine existence of commodities, while they represent >its early form. >Money is therefore not only an object, but is the object ...

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Date:	Sat May 7 15:05:08 PDT 2005

17833 [lbo-talk] quote -- rank: 1000

Marx, Grundrisse, p. 161, on the expanding scope of capitalist markets and the urge for acquiring information that it produces: >the beauty and greatness of it: this spontaneous interconnection, >this material and mental metabolism which is independent of the >knowing and willing of individuals, and which presupposes their >reciprocal independence and indifference. And, certainly, this >objective connection is preferable to the lack of any connection, or >to a merely local conn ...

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Date:	Sat May 7 15:02:31 PDT 2005

17834 [lbo-talk] US reaction to leaked Brit memo -- rank: 1000

Editor & Publisher - May 6, 2005 A New Memo-gate? Knight Ridder Covers Leaked British Document That Disputes Bush Claims on Iraq NEW YORK - For much of the week, much of the U.S. press paid little attention to the highly classified British memo, leaked to a British newspaper, which seems to reveal that President Bush decided by summer 2002 to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy. That changed on Friday, when Kn ...

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Date:	Sat May 7 12:31:34 PDT 2005

17835 [lbo-talk] I love you, no shit. Buy your own f****** drink. -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >The Ruined Maid - by Thomas Hardy Why thank you. That almost compensates for the recent cascade of snarls. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 7 10:16:14 PDT 2005