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17806 [lbo-talk] Commissar Proyect Denouncement: -- rank: 1000

Michael Dawson wrote: > > He presented an argument, and a fairly well-reasoned one. Since >> when does arguing a position vigorously make one a Commissar? >> >> Carrol > >P.S. Speaking of inability to read, what is LP's argument, Cadet? It's >that Jared Diamond is a greenwasher because 10 pages in his 600 page book >place excessive trust in a corporation. No mention in LP's review of any >redeeming quality in the reviewed work. Upshot? Don't read it ...

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17807 [lbo-talk] Commissar Proyect Denouncement: -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >If you want to see a real approximation of Commissar behavior -- read >the posts on this list by Wojtek and M Dawson. Their arguments often >would make sense only if backed up by a large secret police and plenty >of firing squads. Hmm, some would say the same of you. But it's generally a bad idea to accuse anyone of being a commissar, as it is to accuse anyone of being a cop (which you've done at least twice on this list, Carrol). If someone wants to criticize his ...

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17808 [lbo-talk] Marriage and Prostitution -- rank: 1000

snitsnat wrote: >At 04:18 PM 5/9/2005, Michael Dawson wrote: > >>Joanna sees this. Why don't you, Ms. Prole? (What does an RN in SF make >>these days? It ain't minimum wage.) > > >First of all, I'm not going to tell you Grace's story, that's her >prerogative, but I'll tell you this: I've lived on easy street by >comparison. > >So, SDSTFU for a change and _listen_. Her words were, you'll recall: >"(a line worker = prole = staff RN can't do this, y ...

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17809 [lbo-talk] dadaism and fish -- rank: 1000

[this bounced because the quoted material put it over the length limit] Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] Stop complaining Chip and start arguing Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:45:24 -0400 From: "Chip Berlet" <c.berlet at publiceye.org> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Hi, Arguing with a secularist about religion is like arguing with a fish about dadaism. -Chip ________________________________ From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org on behalf of Chuck Grimes Sent: Tue 5/10/2005 3:02 AM To: l ...

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17810 [lbo-talk] Stop complaining Chip and start arguing -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes wrote: >Well, look who is closing the door before it's even opened. And a bunch of other stuff which reminds me again why I'm a fan. Secularism is a fine and noble tradition, and I'm really annoyed by the way it's being repositioned as an insult to "people of faith." I can't go anywhere in this country, even in this bastion of secularism, without being beat over the head by religion. And we're supposed to keep quiet to avoid hurting people's feelings. Doug

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17811 [lbo-talk] You do realize, I hope, that religous expression isn't going anywhere...don't you? -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>From: "Chip Berlet" <c.berlet at publiceye.org> >> >>Still tuned in. >> >>Agree totally. > >Fortunately the LBO list has no acquiescence bias. Mark me down as >"disagree." Mark me down as resisting the forced binary choice. I could certainly work with "people of faith" (and when did that phrase replace "religious people"?) on social justice or antiwar programs. But I'm not going to give up ...

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17812 [lbo-talk] where are the moderate Christians? -- rank: 1000

[from Sam Smith's Progressive Review] |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| WHERE ARE THE CHRISTIAN MODERATES? |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| SAM SMITH, PROGRESSIVE REVIEW - The failure of Christian moderates to take on publicly religious extremists who claim the same Bible and theology sadly brings to mind the failure of liberals to take on Joseph McCarthy. As with McCarthyism, extremism thrives in the valley of fear and silence. In McCarthy's case i ...

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Date:	Tue May 10 07:11:51 PDT 2005

17813 [lbo-talk] Marriage and Prostitution -- rank: 1000

joanna wrote: >I guess because I don't see prostitution as work that must be done. Why not? For whatever reason, many people - mostly men, though in a different world more women might too - need anonymous sexual release. In a less sexually twisted society there might be fewer, but we can't know that, and I doubt it would ever fully go away. Doug

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17814 [lbo-talk] Re: An Appeal to the U.S. Antiwar Movement for United Demonstrations in the Fall -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Whether we agree or disagree with Jacobs on his call To make the antiwar movement into an antiimperialist movement? I see a couple of problems with this: the antiwar movement is moribund, so it's not clear what would be transformed in this move, and if something as specific as opposition to the war in Iraq is so troubled, why would increasing the vagueness of the target (how do people not obsessed with these things understand imperialism anyway?) increase the political traction ...

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Date:	Tue May 10 07:06:50 PDT 2005

17815 [lbo-talk] Stop Labeling and Start Organizing! -- rank: 1000

Chip Berlet wrote: >As for the specifics, I doubt that the LBO list is a useful place to >have a more substantial discussion, given some of the responses >posted so far. You can't have a discussion with people who are on your side, but you can with people who believe in The Rapture? The list has hundreds of subscribers, and the archives get thousands of visitors, so what's posted isn't necessarily representative of what the full assembly thinks. I'd like to hear how you talk with people ...

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Date:	Mon May 9 14:58:05 PDT 2005

17816 [lbo-talk] Yield curve still indicating downturn -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall wrote: >The spread between the two year Treasury note at 3.7% and the ten year >Treasury bond at 4.3% is now a little more than a half-percentage point, a >quarter-point below its historical norm. When the spread has narrowed like >this in the past, it has signalled an economic slowdown, as indebted >consumers struggle to meet their interest payments in a low inflation >environment. One theory of why the yield curve matters: Short rates are determined largely by ...

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17817 [lbo-talk] Marriage and Prostitution -- rank: 1000

Michael Dawson wrote: >Empowering women means things like child stipends, increased school budgets, >free universal pre-K/daycare, single-payer health insurance, SS credit for >raising children, and campaigning for pay equity. Pretending that abortion >politics somehow is a forerunner of these other things has simply been >discredited by history. The point is to give women choices, resources, and >respect, so that far fewer abortions are needed. > >Joanna sees this. Wh ...

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17818 [lbo-talk] Commissar Proyect Denouncement: -- rank: 1000

We don't need to discuss the merits or demerits of LNP3. Listmom

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Date:	Mon May 9 13:46:56 PDT 2005

17819 [lbo-talk] acquiescence bias -- rank: 1000

Just learned an interesting polling term: acquiescence bias. Responses to agree/disagree statements are considered unreliable because people (Americans?) tend towards agreement. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 9 13:19:53 PDT 2005

17820 [lbo-talk] Fwd: David Graeber at Yale Anthropology -- rank: 1000

I had dinner with Graeber after the Left Forum in NYC a few weeks ago. He said then that the Yale anthro department had it out for him - for political reasons. I don't know anything about his scholarship in anthro, but the usual practice would have been to fire him next year, since Yale almost never gives anyone tenure after their seven-year probation period - stars are hired from elsewhere with tenure, but junior faculty almost never gets it. Accelerating the firing is unusual. Doug

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