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17656 [lbo-talk] The STFU left -- rank: 1000

Charles Brown wrote: >I don't think Micheal Pug is some kind of victim here. In fact, I would say >he gets special treatment. > >When he comes back, I hope he drastically cuts his anti-communism and >anti-Sovietism. They make his contributions ,on balance, reactionary. As long as MP keeps the volume down, he's welcome to post as he likes. I don't agree with his endless rehashing of the Cold War. But being anti-Soviet doesn't make someone reactionary, even though I'm not one myself ...

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Date:	Sun May 22 11:35:45 PDT 2005

17657 [lbo-talk] Personal Attack / Ad Hominem Argument -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >snitsnat wrote: > >>I don't see the anti-communism that you see in MP's posts. I >>confess to not reading every post he sends to the list -- my eyes >>tire quickly! But, last I knew, you didn't read them either. So, >>maybe Charles can explain it for me. > >Pugleise's posts have gotten out of hand. I emailed Doug a few days >asking him to put MP on moderation. I think that MP mailed out over >7-8 posts on one day last week. I don't see any ...

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Date:	Sun May 22 11:32:31 PDT 2005

17658 [lbo-talk] turn in your brother or go to jail! -- rank: 1000

<http://www.alternet.org/story/22048> Spy vs. Spy By Bill Piper, AlterNet. Posted May 18, 2005. Proposed legislation would compel people to spy on their family members and neighbors, forcing all Americans to become foot soldiers in the war on drugs. Neighbors spying on neighbors? Mothers forced to turn in their sons or daughters? These are images straight out of George Orwell's 1984, or a remote totalitarian state. We don't associate them with the land of the free and the home of the bra ...

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Date:	Sat May 21 07:28:45 PDT 2005

17659 [lbo-talk] Stay Out of the Labor Market (An Appeal to the U.S. Antiwar Movement) -- rank: 1000

Tom Walker wrote: >Yoshie wrote, > >>The idlest worker is awarded a Hero of >>Socialist Labor medal, designed by the >>Sandwichman. > >The famous Croix de Flâneur! I love it. How about an lbo-talk contest for the design of such a medal? Prize would be, hmmm, what, vast social approval for the winner's idleness? Doug

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Date:	Sat May 21 07:15:49 PDT 2005

17660 [lbo-talk] The STFU left -- rank: 1000

snitsnat wrote: >Well put. Now, the other cool thing about this list is Doug who, in >spite of disagreements with MP, doesn't want him to leave either. > >Love Doug? Go visit the archives and click on the googleads for five >minutes. It's a painless way to contribute money to LBO. When I had >money, I gave him $100. Everyone here should click enough to raise >$50 per year! > >Archives: <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk> Thank you. In case a Google a ...

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Date:	Sat May 21 07:12:20 PDT 2005

17661 [lbo-talk] The STFU left -- rank: 1000

Autoplectic wrote: >Let the punks revel in their adolescent ad hominems >regarding a person they've obviously never met in the meat world. I've actually met Michael a couple of times. I like him. He drives me nuts sometimes, but so do lots of my friends. I'm looking forward to his return. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 21 06:56:14 PDT 2005

17662 [lbo-talk] The STFU left -- rank: 1000

Max B. Sawicky wrote: >One vote here regretting his departure . . . Michael Pug can be rather trying, with his reflexive anti-Communism and, um, challenging posting style. But I'd never have thrown him off, and hope he returns someday. Doug

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Date:	Fri May 20 15:55:33 PDT 2005

17663 [lbo-talk] Texas util dereg screws small users -- rank: 1000

Wall Street Journal - May 20, 2005 Texas Electricity Deregulation Hasn't Aided Small Power Users By REBECCA SMITH Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL A Texas law that largely deregulated the selling of retail electricity and was meant to lower power prices may not be working out so well for small consumers, according to an analysis of electricity prices in the nation's second-most populous state. The study by Jay Zarnikau, a visiting professor of applied statistics at the University of Tex ...

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Date:	Fri May 20 15:02:14 PDT 2005

17664 [lbo-talk] LoveParade cancelled, techno fading - all in a bear market! -- rank: 1000

<http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=emw&aid=1695&time=pm> Where Did the Love Parade Go? 5/20/2005 4:25:43 PM In 1989 in Berlin, a techno-music lover and aspiring D.J. named Matthias Roeingh gathered about 150 of his fellow techno-fans on a local street, put speakers on top of his van, and German "raves" - wild do-it-yourself dance parties - were born. Who knew that just a couple of years later Matthias, by now known as DJ Dr. Motte, would run the largest ...

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Date:	Fri May 20 14:05:31 PDT 2005

17665 [lbo-talk] AFL-CIO on verge of split? -- rank: 1000

BusinessWeek Online - May 19, 2005 EWS ANALYSIS By Aaron Bernstein Is Labor Headed for Splitsville? Unless President John J. Sweeney goes, the deepening divisions within the AFL-CIO could see the union movement break into rival federations Fifty years after the American Federation of Labor merged with the Congress of Industrial Organizations, the U.S. labor movement may be heading for a breakup. Five unions that want to unseat AFL-CIO President John J. Sweeney are considering leaving the federat ...

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Date:	Fri May 20 13:09:39 PDT 2005

17666 [lbo-talk] The STFU left -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > Victor Rabinowitz, "Of course Julius Rosenberg was guilty. But, you >don't expect me to say that in public, do you?" If this is true, so what? I don't know why the Rosenberg case should be a live issue today, but I'm also wondering about the concept of "guilty." Does that mean it was ok to fry him? More importantly, is it a bad thing the USSR got the bomb? I think it's a good thing - I'm glad the US monopoly on nuclear weapons didn't last ve ...

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Date:	Fri May 20 11:09:08 PDT 2005

17667 [lbo-talk] Clinton & Soc Sec (was Bush approval) -- rank: 1000

Paul wrote: >I realize we have very good reason to suspect that Clinton would >have made (or ultimately accepted) proposals compromising the >integrity of Social Security, but what *actual* sources do we have? Dean Baker told me it's widely known in DC that Clinton was on the verge of proposing some carve-out (rather than an add-on) arrangement. But I don't think there are any firmer sources than that. Doug

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Date:	Fri May 20 11:06:09 PDT 2005

17668 [lbo-talk] REMINDER: Haiti After Aristide: A Grassroots Perspective, SAT May 21 -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: >http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2004/2004-March/004977.html >http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2004/2004-March/004978.html >http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2004/2004-April/007266.html >http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2004/2004-July/014432.html What is this supposed to mean? Two of these URLs are basically references to other URLs. Is your point that Aristide really is a scumbag? Is your point that was should go reviewing your elusive points from a year ago? If you had a point, ...

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Date:	Fri May 20 10:51:54 PDT 2005

17669 [lbo-talk] Saddam, underwear model -- rank: 1000

photo: <http://story.news.yahoo.com/photo/050520/photos_wl/mdf565043> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20050520/ts_nm/iraq_britain_saddam_dc> Pictures show Iraq's Saddam in his underwear LONDON (Reuters) - A picture of Saddam Hussein in his underpants splashed across the front-page of Britain's biggest-selling daily newspaper on Friday prompted an outraged reaction from his lawyers. The Sun newspaper quoted U.S. military sources as saying the ...

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Date:	Fri May 20 08:02:29 PDT 2005

17670 [lbo-talk] Galloway to Senate: FOAD -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >Because we are much better at kicking each other instead of kicking >conservative ass. Yeah, and I'm pretty tired of it. I've even lost the zeal for making fun of Stanley Aronowitz. >I actually kick conservative ass when I can and they don't like it >one bit. They really hate uppity radicals who don't believe the myth >of their marginalization and powerlessness. They're way out of practice in debate - they're just not used to being challenged. Doug

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