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17596 [lbo-talk] Re: Vive La France! -- rank: 1000

Paul wrote: >Spoken like the true author of "Wall Street" :-) My deformation professionelle. >BTW, I am sure you agree that it has been unhealthy the way >progressives in the US have been on a death watch for some crisis >to shake things up. You bet. Absolutely. > Even people like Krugman seemed to have joined in with this. Their >role is rather to be building a movement. > >Paul > >PS on the substance: You have a point (quick thinking) but one could > ...

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Date:	Sun May 29 16:31:49 PDT 2005

17597 [lbo-talk] DIRELAND: A Political Revolt in France--What Today's Rejection of the European Constitution Mens -- rank: 1000

New from DIRELAND, May 29, 2005 <http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/05/the_massive_def.html> A POLITICAL REVOLT IN FRANCE --What Rejection of the European Constitution Means The massive defeat of the new European Constitution by the French in today's referendum means a virtual political revolution in France. The polls have only been closed for an hour as I write, but the exit polls for French public TV show at least a 10% margin of victory for the No vote, with a large 70% voter tur ...

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Date:	Sun May 29 16:28:42 PDT 2005

17598 [lbo-talk] Re: Vive La France! -- rank: 1000

This is likely to hammer the euro - bad news for those rooting for a dollar crisis. Doug

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Date:	Sun May 29 15:10:33 PDT 2005

17599 [lbo-talk] RE: Hillary -- rank: 1000

Joe Barrera wrote: >How do you think that jury made up of putrid mass >Embraced theory of triangle bullet lines >Turning in circles twice, >Then incredible, marvelous, exiting back of mind? wozzat?

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Date:	Sun May 29 14:27:46 PDT 2005

17600 [lbo-talk] RE: Hillary -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >Isn't the same true of her husband? Their political principles, >policies and instincts are virtually identical. No, I don't think so. There's evidence (from Kitty Kelley, I think) that Hillary actually pushed Bill to the right on some issues, as far back as when he was gov of Ark. In any case, liberals and feminists are far more likely to make excuses for her than him. The things I've heard otherwise rational people say about her are amazing! Doug

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Date:	Sun May 29 11:41:49 PDT 2005

17601 [lbo-talk] Yahoo! News Story - South Korean Students Hold Anti-U.S. Rally - Yahoo! News -- rank: 1000

Thomas Seay wrote: >Wouldnt US activists who attempted the same as the South Korean >students be called adventurist by many on this list? > >South Korean Students Hold Anti-U.S. Rally - Yahoo! News >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050529/ap_on_re_as/skorea_us_protest Huh? Who'd call them adventurist and why? Doug

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Date:	Sun May 29 10:42:44 PDT 2005

17602 [lbo-talk] Social Democracy -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall wrote: >>But Social Democracy is surely as dead as a road to the future as is >>Third-International Communism. > >Not true. It is very much alive in Latin America and other parts of the >developing world seeking the contemporary equivalent of a more equitable >distribution of the spoils with global capitalism such as marked the great >battles of yesteryear in the advanced capitalist countries between the >workers and the bosses. Social democracy or wh ...

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Date:	Sun May 29 10:24:15 PDT 2005

17603 [lbo-talk] RE: Hillary -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >It applies just as well to William Clinton, JF Kerry, the elder Bush, >Carter, etc. Most U.S. presidents. That it first appeared in reference >to Hillary seems to reflect a misognynystic reaction to an uppity woman >rather than a response to her vile politics. No, I think it's because of the illusion, sustained by liberals and feminists and promoted by conservatives, that she's far more liberal than she really is. Doug

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Date:	Sun May 29 09:37:02 PDT 2005

17604 [lbo-talk] Jeb -- rank: 1000

So, Floridians - is Jeb Bush worse than W?

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Date:	Sat May 28 22:40:12 PDT 2005

17605 [lbo-talk] Social Democracy -- rank: 1000

tfast at yorku.ca wrote: >Leaving the question of revolutionary socialism to the side, it does strike me >that one is hard pressed to find an example, within advanced liberal >democracies, where SD's have not drifted to the center or right of center as >the case maybe when they have faced a viable electoral party to their left. > >Try inverting that one Doug:) Wouldn't want to. My point was that Carrol suffers from a chicken-egg problem, but he doesn't recognize it. For him, it ...

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Date:	Sat May 28 21:18:44 PDT 2005

17606 [lbo-talk] Social Democracy -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >I have never seen on this list a single concrete suggestion as to how >social democratic goals can be achieved. It seems that the only argument >they have is that commumism won't work. But disproving Zeus doesn't >demonstrate Shiva's existence. Put differently, social democracy is >parasitic on revolutionary socialism, and without a revolutionary threat >social democrats are so many bits of old lavender. I have never seen on this list a single concrete sugges ...

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Date:	Sat May 28 16:09:29 PDT 2005

17607 [lbo-talk] New Sex drugs -- rank: 1000

Miles Jackson wrote: >I agree that this is a plausible example of Gould's >spandrels. As Darwin emphasized and most of his >modern day acolytes forget, many factors--not just >evolutionary adaptation!--can explain the existence of >a trait in a species. It's like sociobiologists are apostles of intelligent design - there's got to be an evolutionary reason for everything! Sometimes shit just happens, no? Doug

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17608 [lbo-talk] Mao: the Unknown Story -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: >For all >practical purposes I'm a left-wing social democrat. In American terms, >that is now far, far left. And for all practical purposes, that's about the limits of politics right now. If forced, I'd have to classify myself as one of those too, though the fantasy of something more radical persists. Somewhere, somehow, someday. But what's the point of focusing on this: > But, the noisiest sectors of the American >Left over the period of our decline from ...

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Date:	Sat May 28 15:12:44 PDT 2005

17609 [lbo-talk] Mao: the Unknown Story -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > Heh, but Justin, this is co-written by Jon Halliday who had many a >piece back in the 70's in NLR.Co-wrote a book with Bruce Cumings. C'mon Michael, you sent it as a provocation. I really don't see any urgency to discussing the legacy of Mao in 2005. It'd be far more interesting to try to understand what's happening in China now, and where China is going. Doug

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Date:	Sat May 28 14:01:40 PDT 2005

17610 [lbo-talk] Feds defend Hollywood, arrest file sharers for customs violations (or something) -- rank: 1000

Sean Johnson Andrews wrote: >I know that most of the argument on this forum usually deals with >stuff that happened in the last century, but I also know you are >interested in thinking about what's going to happen in the next. I couldn't endorse this sentiment more strongly. Doug

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