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17251 [lbo-talk] We can lose, or we can just lose later -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>From: boddi satva <lbo.boddi at gmail.com> >> >>That's why it's such a shitty job in wartime. You have to do terrible >>stuff as a matter of course, take terrible risks and you don't have a >>choice unless the orders are illegal. That's why I thank them. >> >>You guys have really got to think about this a little harder. > >That's rich. You may be the most befuddled poster I've encountered >on this list. Befuddled? He ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 28 08:02:48 PST 2005

17252 [lbo-talk] Bush still out of touch -- rank: 1000

New York Daily News - November 27, 2005 All disquiet on West Wing front Aides: W must right ship By THOMAS M. DeFRANK and KENNETH R. BAZINET DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU WASHINGTON - Embattled White House aides have begun to believe President Bush must take the reins personally if his evaporating agenda and credibility are to be salvaged. "We're just plodding along," admitted a senior Bush aide from deep within the West Wing bunker. "It's up to the President to turn things around ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 28 07:47:35 PST 2005

17253 [lbo-talk] Bush completely out of touch -- rank: 1000

<http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/051205fa_fact> UP IN THE AIR Where is the Iraq war headed next? by SEYMOUR M. HERSH Issue of 2005-12-05 Posted 2005-11-28 [...] Current and former military and intelligence officials have told me that the President remains convinced that it is his personal mission to bring democracy to Iraq, and that he is impervious to political pressure, even from fellow Republicans. They also say that he disparages any information that conflicts with his v ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 28 07:45:37 PST 2005

17254 [lbo-talk] Porn 'does not make sex objects' -- rank: 1000

<http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17352073-29277,00.html> Porn 'does not make sex objects' By Vera Devai 24-11-2005 From: AAP AN Australian study has cast doubt on the commonly held view that pornography shows women as nothing more than sex objects. The study, to be published in the noted international Journal of Sex Research, analysed 50 of the bestselling pornographic videos in Australia to find out whether people were represented as sex objects. Queensland University Professor Alan ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 28 07:35:14 PST 2005

17255 [lbo-talk] a history of capitalist success models -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Each period of post-WW2-boom capitalism found its model of ascendant >capitalism, hyped by some (who tout it as an example that other >nations ought to emulate) and feared by others (who worry about >trade deficits). It was once Japan. Then it was the "Asian >Tigers." Now it's China and India. What is noteworthy, though, is >that the standard of capitalist success, measured by the wellbeing >of the population of the model capitalist nati ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 28 06:58:52 PST 2005

17256 [lbo-talk] The Civilian Casualty Fable (100K dead in Iraq?) -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: >http://www.logictimes.com/civilian.htm >I'll forward this around for comments by those far better able to >judge the statistical analysis. > Michael, why do you give this bullshit the time of day? Iraq Body Count is based on actual reports of actual deaths. Why, then, this "adjustment"?: >The two top BLUE lines are the results of the gender/age >normalization of the casualty data. Using documented gender/age >demographic data, the reported ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 28 06:41:14 PST 2005

17257 [lbo-talk] IEA pushing carbon market -- rank: 1000

Airline, auto sectors ripe for carbon market: IEA PARIS (AFP) - Rapidly rising pollution by the aviation industry, which is not covered by targets in the Kyoto protocol to combat global warming, could be slashed through inclusion in the EU carbon market, an International Energy Agency report suggests. The co-author of the report, economist Richard Baron, commented: "The political pressure is very high on aviation and their emissions are rising very rapidly." The report argues that the ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 27 15:57:55 PST 2005

17258 [lbo-talk] We can lose, or we can just lose later -- rank: 1000

Take this one outside, boys. - Doug Travis Fast wrote: >Andie are you drunk? > >I advocated from the start an immediate withdrawl, I then said that >I thought that strategically and morally it was wrong to place any >more guilt on the shoulders of grunts then on any other member of US >society. I further argued that inorder to get grunts to take >responsibility it might be easier if the rest of the society to >which they belong took their own responsibility for the war ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 27 15:34:52 PST 2005

17259 [lbo-talk] We can lose, or we can just lose later -- rank: 1000

Travis Fast wrote: >The point is Yoshie, you can either take the approach that the >average soldier is no more and no less responsible then the average >AMerican for the war Lots of average Americans voted against Bush. Most average soldiers have followed, or would follow, orders to go to war. How far does collective responsbility extend? Doug

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Date:	Sat Nov 26 18:01:11 PST 2005

17260 [lbo-talk] We can lose, or we can just lose later -- rank: 1000

Travis Fast wrote: >The question is what is the best strategy to get returning soldiers >to think about their contribution to the war and get them to speak >against the war. Blindly thanking them or demonizing them is not >going to accomplish anything politically. No it wouldn't, and I'd never denounce a grunt unless he started cheerleading for war. But I'm afraid that few of them are speaking against the war - they're mostly apolitical. Doug

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Date:	Sat Nov 26 13:16:51 PST 2005

17261 [lbo-talk] We can lose, or we can just lose later -- rank: 1000

boddi satva wrote: >I know I'm over-posting, but honestly you don't see a difference >between thanking active-duty soldiers for their service Why should I? Most of what they do is appalling. The war on Iraq is fucking criminal. Doug

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Date:	Sat Nov 26 10:28:15 PST 2005

17262 [lbo-talk] Re: GEORGE GALLOWAY PANDERS TO THE HOMOPHOBES -- rank: 1000

Brian Charles Dauth wrote: >Dear List: > >>You're a bit late to the party, but I think this article did >a good job at debunking this > >It was the typical apologia from the homophobic left. >Nothing new. How do you see that? That piece, and Leninology's post here, says that Tatchell's claims are at odds with the facts. It's not a difference of opinion. So how is it homophobic to say that in fact Galloway supports gay marriage and adoption, and that Respect as a party co ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 26 09:52:53 PST 2005

17263 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Fwd: Should Wal-Mart Hike Prices? -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese quoted Alan Reynolds: > Anyone who works at Wal-Mart is free >to quit that job and search for better pay or benefits somewhere >else. I wish these guys could be sentenced to 5 years in the working class, trying to live the lives they fantasize about. Doug

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Date:	Fri Nov 25 07:30:54 PST 2005

17264 [lbo-talk] Happy Thanksgiving, you dopes -- rank: 1000

Chris Doss wrote: >Ditto. Thanksgiving is the best US holiday. WBAI did 8 hours of anti-Thanksgiving programming yesterday. We listened to some of it, featuring Jim Craven. They're absolutely right on the historical point - the holiday's relation to genocide, and the foundational crimes of the USA. But I really doubt you're going to win any friends this way. People like Thanksgiving, and it seems to me a real uphill climb to persuade the masses to the contrary. Craven even implied that a lot ...

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Date:	Fri Nov 25 07:28:52 PST 2005

17265 [lbo-talk] Padilla, liberal icon -- rank: 1000

[the WSJ editpage unleashes a real corker today.] Wall Street Journal - November 25, 2005 Padilla in Court It's hard to pinpoint the precise moment when Jose Padilla became a liberal icon in the war on terror. Was it June 2002, when President Bush, exercising the authority that other wartime Presidents have used, declared him an enemy combatant? Padilla had been arrested the previous month at O'Hare Airport, en route home from Pakistan, on allegations that he planned to detonate a dirty bomb in ...

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Date:	Fri Nov 25 07:15:05 PST 2005