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16876 [lbo-talk] Evacuating half a million people -- rank: 1000

Jordan Hayes wrote: > > "Best pre-hurricane conditions" = 20 mph? > >I'm only skimming these messages, but yes, she means that if you didn't >have hurricane force winds and rain and you emptied the city in this >way, you'd be in bumper-to-bumper traffic. So it's worse if you have >bad weather. Well there are these things called busses that can hold upwards of 40 people. But, this being the USA, I guess it's every man for his SUV. Doug

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Date:	Tue Sep 6 12:11:35 PDT 2005

16877 [lbo-talk] Evacuating half a million people -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: >snitsnat wrote: > >>It does if the people bitching are asking that the mayor evacuate >>the entire city OUT of the city. Under the best pre-hurricane >>conditions, it takes 8 hrs to get to Baton Rouge. > >Huh? Yahoo says it's about 80 miles, 1:40 travel time. > >Doug >___________________________________ > > >Not at 20 mph "Best pre-hurricane conditions" = 20 mph?

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16878 [lbo-talk] Brooks: W the worst president of my lifetime -- rank: 1000

This was just posted to my Yale Class of '75 listserv: >I just returned from the Annual Meeting of the American Political >Science Association meeting. Among various panels and addresses, >David Brooks, the conservative commentator, attacked Bush for an >hour, calling him the worst president in his lifetime.

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Date:	Tue Sep 6 10:51:28 PDT 2005

16879 [lbo-talk] Evacuating half a million people -- rank: 1000

snitsnat wrote: >It does if the people bitching are asking that the mayor evacuate >the entire city OUT of the city. Under the best pre-hurricane >conditions, it takes 8 hrs to get to Baton Rouge. Huh? Yahoo says it's about 80 miles, 1:40 travel time. Doug

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16880 [lbo-talk] Evacuating half a million people -- rank: 1000

W. Kiernan wrote: >Michael Pugliese wrote: > > http://www.netforcuba.org/InfoCuba-EN/CubainPictures/CubainPictures.htm > >Looks a lot like the middle of Tampa. > >Somewhat less sharp contrast than what I saw the >one time my company sent me to Washington D.C. >to study a computer program. No kidding. You could do the same kind of compare-and-contrast game in any American city, starting in New York. I know that citing a Manhattan example would contradict Cde Senior's d ...

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Date:	Tue Sep 6 10:16:18 PDT 2005

16881 [lbo-talk] anxious -- rank: 1000

Mark S wrote: >Cseniornyc at aol.com wrote: >> >>D Henwood wrote: "Well for one the 70s were a time of wildcat strikes and >>Third World >>rebellions; there's not much of that now." > >>Comment: I am really surprised by this reply. The whole Islamic world is in >>revolt in three continents and, similarly, most of South America is >>in a state >> of political effervescence, especially against US corpos. The war in Iraq >>conti ...

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16882 [lbo-talk] anxious -- rank: 1000

W. Kiernan wrote: >Anxious, anxious, anxious. What I ask of you, lbosters, is to take >your advanced knowledge of history and economics, and spin me a >plausible tale which explains why I shouldn't expect the same thing >to happen a second time. Well for one the 70s were a time of wildcat strikes and Third World rebellions; there's not much of that now. Doug

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Date:	Mon Sep 5 14:49:39 PDT 2005

16883 [lbo-talk] neocon worry -- rank: 1000

[A friend sent me this, which was posted as the quote of the day on Andrew Sullivan's website.] <http://theggnomeridesout.blogspot.com/2005/09/neoconservatisms-berlin-wall.html> "Neoconservatism has always been an ideology dependent on the global projection of national power. What gave it its strength was that after 9/11, Americans were so angry at the assault that they wanted to go overseas and attack those responsible - thus was 'The War on Terror' born. They were lied into thinking ...

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Date:	Mon Sep 5 13:53:23 PDT 2005

16884 [lbo-talk] Where's Dick Cheney -- rank: 1000

Jim Farmelant wrote: >So where's >Dick? Is he in an "undisclosed location" >or is he ill or what? It said in today's Times that he's been at his ranch in Wyoming. Also, in the same piece <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/05bush.html>, a review of Rove's PR strategy: focus on the future, and blame the local Dems. >One Republican with knowledge of the effort said that Mr. Rove had >told administration officials not to respond to Democratic ...

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Date:	Mon Sep 5 13:25:19 PDT 2005

16885 [lbo-talk] Evacuating half a million people -- rank: 1000

Mark Bennett wrote: >How did Cuba evacuate 1.5M to 1.9M for Cat 5 Ivan in Sept. 2004? It >was a last minute decision after Ivan >made its unexpected westward jog late Saturday. > >John Thornton > >------------------------------------------------- > >http://www.unisdr.org/ppew/newsletter/ppew-02-2004.pdf >http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/iha943.doc.htm The second is worth quoting in full, in case people didn't click on the link: 14/09/2004 Press Release IHA/943 ...

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Date:	Mon Sep 5 13:20:15 PDT 2005

16886 [lbo-talk] Evacuating half a million people -- rank: 1000

Daniel Davies wrote, responding to James Heartfield: > > Official response to the hurricane and subsequent flooding of New Orleans >> was woefully inadequate. But which government could have evacuated a city of >> half a million people - bigger than Liverpool, Nice or Bradford - with ease? > >To be honest, any government. By Marjorie Cohn t r u t h o u t | Perspective Saturday 03 September 2005 Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered the small island of Cuba ...

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16887 [lbo-talk] poll: 45% of Americans have their heads hopelessly wedged up their asses -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> >> >>[This si one of the most depressing polls I've ever read. Bush >>looks to be suffering no political damage, at least on first read. > >[I think GWB's public support, like Lake Pontchartrain itself, is >broad but shallow. In any event, Doug, I thought you were a >connoisseur of polling techniques. I'd like to take the liberty of >posting the following from the Marxism list:] 500 is ...

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16888 [lbo-talk] poll: 45% of Americans have their heads hopelessly wedged up their asses -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: >The real political potential in the NOLA disaster is not the >immediate blame. It's the deeper blame, the way it indicts virtually >everything Bush stands for, from Iraq to Global Warming, and >everything the Republicans have stood for for the last 25 years, >from screwing the poor to cutting down the government to defining >"security" in such insanely military terms that we spend billions on >star wars but nothing preparing for things that m ...

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Date:	Mon Sep 5 12:56:33 PDT 2005

16889 [lbo-talk] poll: 45% of Americans have their heads hopelessly wedged up their asses -- rank: 1000

Jim Farmelant wrote: >As I recall, Nixon's poll rating were >still well into the thirties right up >to the night that he resigned from >office. 24% on August 2, according to Gallup. The only match for that number was Harry Truman in 1951-2. Doug

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16890 [lbo-talk] bush and zero tolerance -- rank: 1000

John Adams wrote: > > I wonder if they're going to diss the MSM for being too liberal. > >It'll help (okay, only a little) if you don't disscribe >(diss-scribe? dis-scribe? de-scribe? The language poets would love >this) the press by the orwellian grunt its right-wing critics use to >bash it. I thought it was a cliche of the blogosphere. Doug

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