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16591 McDemos versus small group organizing (Re: Costs of big marches- Re: [lbo-talk] DC -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >I'm not in favor of three hour meetings-- its bad for pulling in folks with >child care responsibilities. That's hardly the only reason. In most instances, why would any sane person, childful or childless, with other responsibilities and pleasures in life want to sit through a three-hour meeting? Doug

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16592 Costs of big marches- Re: [lbo-talk] DC -- rank: 1000

Max B. Sawicky wrote: >For the maximization of fun, Or, as Susie Bright once said, "Workers of the world, unite!" is an erotic appeal. Doug

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16593 [lbo-talk] Re: DC -- rank: 1000

Max B. Sawicky wrote: >I don't think the word "ANSWER" appeared in the lead story. Catch this gem from the NYT <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/politics/25protest.html>: >The protests here and elsewhere were largely sponsored by two >groups, the Answer Coalition, which embodies a wide range of >progressive political objectives, and United for Peace and Justice, >which has a more narrow, antiwar focus.

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16594 [lbo-talk] Dems & the war -- rank: 1000

Top Democrats won't attend anti-war rally in Washington BY STEVEN THOMMA Knight Ridder Newspapers WASHINGTON - (KRT [n.d.]) - As the anti-war movement arrives in Washington this weekend, many top Democrats are leaving. Nationally known Democratic war critics, including Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, and Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, Russell Feingold of Wisconsin and John Kerry of Massachusetts, won't attend what sponsors say will be a big anti-war ral ...

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16595 [lbo-talk] life at the top -- rank: 1000

New York Post [Page Six] - September 25, 2005 THE DOC AND THE 'FAT' MODEL IN his new book "Confessions of a Park Avenue Plastic Surgeon," doctor-to-the-stars Cap Lesesne offers a bonanza of blind items about some of his famous patients. Lesesne, who briefly dated Katie Couric, recalls when legendary photographer Francesco Scavullo was shooting "Anna," a Danish model, for a Victoria's Secret ad campaign. The lensman called up Lesesne because "he was bothered by a little s ...

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16596 Costs of big marches- Re: [lbo-talk] DC -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Was that the best use of $12 million? Why do you act as if that was the only $12 million available to spend? It's not a zero-sum game. People could go to a demo, make contributions there, feel more inspired to contribute and volunteer when they go back home, etc. If you want to play aggregation games, here's another: $12 million is nothing. It's 0.00012% of total personal income in the US. You could organize a thousand of them before it even becomes a rounding error in t ...

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16597 Costs of big marches- Re: [lbo-talk] DC -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Sure they are-- but are they necessary at a national level, where travel >costs time and money? Networking, man. Isn't it important for sympathetic people to meet each other, make friends, share strategies, and generally feel less lonely? I agree with you on the importance of institution-building, but the affective side counts too. Besides, your aggregate math (the demo costs $12m plus two million hours) make it sound like a big deal, but $60 and a few hours of travel ...

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16598 [lbo-talk] Re: DC -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall wrote: >Very well done, American friends, very well done. It was an impressive demo >on TV, and I noticed the AP quotes the Washington police chief as saying the >organizers easily "hit their target" of 100k. The point, I think, is not >that less than 1% of the US population took part, but how many more watching >at home were confirmed in their belief the war is wrong and is opposed by by >a broad range of people very much like themselves. I'm a little ...

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16599 [lbo-talk] DC -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >However, despite a majority voting to create a broad mainstream effort, >sectarians hijacked the meeting and largely destroyed the coalition efforts >through the usual tactics. And so it took almost too years for that same >general group to come together again in United for Peace and Justice. So >ANSWER walked into the vacuum created by that sectarian destruction. I >don't actually know if ANSWER allies were the ones who engineered the >collapse of ...

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16600 [lbo-talk] Demonstration Is Largest in Capital Since U.S. Military Invaded Iraq -- rank: 1000

YOSHIE FURUHASHI wrote: >BTW, this time, I chose creature comfort over networking and >checked into Mariott at 1331 Pennsylvania rather than crashing at a >friend's (or a friend of a friend's). A hot shower, a king-size bed, a >margarita, and a view of the Washington Monument from your >room have a way of improving your protest experience greatly! I'm reeling! First you get married - and now this. Welcome to the Fellowship of Sybaritic Revolutionaries. Doug

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16601 [lbo-talk] San Francisco March -- rank: 1000

Jordan Hayes wrote: >They might have had too much competition from the Love Parade. > >http://www.loveparadesf.org/ Curiously the Elliott Wave Theorist read the cancellation of the Berlin Loveparade as a sign of a secular bear market. It peaked with the market in '99 or '00 - a celebration of techno-optimism. Now that we're in techno-despair, we don't do that sort of thing anymore. Except maybe in SF - how was the turnout? Doug

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16602 [lbo-talk] The Endless Swerve Effect (was, campcaseydc) -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >All of this will, of course, be accompanied (as is already the case in >many ways) with increased repression and with growing reaction to that >repression. Maybe so, but I just spoke with Liza, who reports a very thin cop presence - not the usual massed hordes in riot gear. Her guess of numbers is somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 - and a much more "diverse" crowd than in earlier demos. Doug

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16603 [lbo-talk] The Endless Swerve Effect (was, campcaseydc) -- rank: 1000

Dwayne Monroe wrote: >I don't know what the comparative numbers are In the spontaneous mini-demo in Penn Station this morning, there was exactly one pro-war voice - a seriously odd-looking woman who screamed "Support the troops!" Doug

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16604 [lbo-talk] the long, strange career of Jeffrey Sachs -- rank: 1000

Just posted to the LBO website: "The long, strange career of Jeffrey Sachs" <http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Sachs.html> How did he go from Dr Shock to being Bono's travelling companion? Doug

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16605 [lbo-talk] campcaseydc -- rank: 1000

Chuck0 wrote: >In one of these updates from Mr. Pitt, he claims that "CNN is >estimating the crowd here to be more than six hundred thousand >strong." It sounds like one of those classic virus hoaxes: "It's been confirmed by CNN." I just looked at CNN's web report and they said "thousands." Reuters also says "thousands." I spoke with Liza on the phone a little while ago and she said that the initial turnout was disappointing but the crowd had grow ...

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