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16501 [lbo-talk] Kos on Marches -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >And his skill in pulling together that broad, diverse community who, from >radicals to more mainstream Democrats, almost all oppose the war-- that's a >significant organizing success. That's not mere media savvy but organizing >savvy. I'm confused. Several hundred posters to a blog are a greater social force than over a hundred thousand people gathered in the nation's capital in a demonstration that received sympathetic coverage in all the major media? Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 12:57:48 PDT 2005

16502 [lbo-talk] losers [ was: Lyndie England -- rank: 1000

Culture Lab wrote: >I'm sorry, but this is just a cop out. The system is reproduced by >all of us. I fyou cant or won't take responsibility for harboring >the view that you deserve your fate, then all the talk in the world >about how someone else doesn't is meaningless -- and it doesn't >matter whether your talking bush or me or pugliese. > >but this comes from years of studying this, doing research, doing >interviews. i can hardly expect people who live in bubbles to get ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 12:55:10 PDT 2005

16503 [lbo-talk] losers [ was: Lyndie England -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >obscure disgruntled intellectual list Ahem. I'm feeling rather gruntled this morning, myself. Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 10:04:00 PDT 2005

16504 [lbo-talk] Judy -- rank: 1000

Steve Perry wrote: >or maybe it just took her this long to come up with a plausible >version of events that does not implicate... judith miller. Today's Note repeats the questions that yesterday's edition opened with, along with some comments/answers. This one... >Is the Fitzgerald leak investigation about to trump everything else? >(And we don't mean the Judy Miller part.) (We tried to warn all >y'all about Miller, so don't ignore the first part of yesterday's >item.) ...is in ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 08:09:15 PDT 2005

16505 [lbo-talk] the DeLay machine -- rank: 1000

Los Angeles Times - September 30, 2005 THE DELAY INDICTMENT DeLay Helped Cement GOP Ties to Lobbyists His pressure helped turn business groups into a key part of the party's political machine. By Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writers WASHINGTON - Whether or not Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) returns to power, few industry lobbyists in the nation's capital are likely to forget the lesson he once taught the electronic manufacturers: Support the Republican Party - or else. That industry f ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 07:56:29 PDT 2005

16506 [lbo-talk] Judy -- rank: 1000

[this is all very weird - if "Scooter" gave her a waiver a year ago, why'd she go to jail?] <http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=156238> The Fitzgerald investigation: Judith Miller is out of jail due a deal she struck with her source, Scooter Libby, and prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. "Mr. Fitzgerald has said that obtaining Ms. Miller's testimony was one of the last remaining objectives of his inquiry, and the deal with her suggests that the prosecutor may soon en ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 07:47:34 PDT 2005

16507 [lbo-talk] Kos on Marches -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > it is the Movement >elites who are being stupid in this How do you know what went into their decision? Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 07:16:27 PDT 2005

16508 [lbo-talk] 23% belong to antiwar movement -- rank: 1000

Dick Grippon wrote: >At 12:24 AM 9/30/2005, Doug Henwood wrote: >>[that's not a bad number for a "movement," is it? for most >>Americans, though, the prob with the antiwar movement isn't ANSWER, >>it's liberals!] > >uh, you understand right? people don't see a difference between >liberals and ANSWER. Yup. Last night, O'Reilly referred to Sen. Schumer's funders as the "far left." Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 30 06:31:24 PDT 2005

16509 [lbo-talk] 23% belong to antiwar movement -- rank: 1000

[that's not a bad number for a "movement," is it? for most Americans, though, the prob with the antiwar movement isn't ANSWER, it's liberals!] <http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Anti-War%20Movement.htm> 23% Belong to Anti-War Movement Survey of 1,000 Adults September 26-27, 2005 September 28, 2005--Twenty-three percent (23%) of Americans consider themselves part of the anti-War movement. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 61% say they are not part of that movement. Sixteen ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 21:24:39 PDT 2005

16510 [lbo-talk] Kos on Marches -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Um, Doug is it a tendentious paraphrase that Carroll said, that critics of >ANSWER were limited: "One consists of the enemies of any mass movement: >Nathan, Chuck0, Wojtek, Pugliese." Hey, I rebuked him for that! >And in another post Doug said this about the whole ANSWER issue: >-No one except you, David Corn, Marc Cooper, and Nathan Newman really >-finds this a scandal. Carrol Cox's liberal comrades in Illinois don't >-care. Philip Weiss, wri ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 21:15:31 PDT 2005

16511 [lbo-talk] "War on porn" felt at Suicide Girls -- rank: 1000

Carl Remick wrote: >>From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> >> >>>>>Forbes ran the numbers on porn a few years ago >>>><http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html>.... >> >>The Forbes estimate was around $4b. Even if it's doubled, it's >>still well under $10b. Even if it's quadrupled, it's still only >>about 1/20th of Wal-Mart's sales, or about three weeks' worth. > >The porn industry grosses only 1/20th of ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 17:05:24 PDT 2005

16512 [lbo-talk] volume -- rank: 1000

Several people have been egregiously overposting. I won't name names right now, but you know who you are. The limit is 3 a day.

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 16:29:15 PDT 2005

16513 [lbo-talk] losers [ was: Lyndie England -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >OK guys, let's settle this silly shouting match: > >1. Every prisoner in the US is a political prisoner, victim of capitalist >oppression. Etc. So what is it about US society that makes us produce so many "criminals," and so many prisoners? There's almost nothing comparable anywhere else on earth. Doug

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 16:26:59 PDT 2005

16514 [lbo-talk] Kos on Marches -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: >Mock naive question. What is "red-baiting"? In this case, making a big deal out of ANSWER's role in the antiwar movement. One thing you gotta admit about a Leninist organization is that they're really good at picking dates, getting permits, and hiring buses. No one cares about their agenda. Take advantage of their discipline. I signed my name to a bus roster when I rode with ANSWER in 2003. They've never tried to recruit me to their awful party, or to lobby ...

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 16:23:06 PDT 2005

16515 [lbo-talk] Kos on Marches -- rank: 1000

Michael Pugliese wrote: > Cf. David Corn, >http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050929/marching_to_irrelevance.php The hell with David Corn. He went on The O'Reilly Factor to redbait the antiwar movement in 2003, and I'll never forgive him for that. I've really lost all patience with these liberal whiners. Doug

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Date:	Thu Sep 29 15:36:01 PDT 2005