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15601 [lbo-talk] Re: freedom, double standards, etc. -- rank: 1000

Chris Doss wrote: >In the German context, I think a lot of it is a >misguided attempt to give the finger to the Collective >Guilt that has been shoved down everybody's throats >for 60 years and most Germans are just sick to death >of. Americans could use a little collective guilt now & then. Doug

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15602 [lbo-talk] Re: freedom, double standards, etc. -- rank: 1000

Leigh Meyers wrote: >Expelled? That would be chilling.... Could I get kicked for saying >that there's >no evidence that Saddam Hussein slaughtered 10s of thousands of Kurds? No. I'd suspect you're wrong, but the evidence is murkier, and the politics would be completely different. I'm all for criticizing the use to which Zionists put the Holocaust; I'm a big fan of Norman Finkelstein's. But questioning the facts of the Holocaust - even if it's just questioning details (4 million or 5 mil ...

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15603 [lbo-talk] Re: freedom, double standards, etc. -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall wrote: >Not the word I'd use. If you want to bleed for them, go ahead. They're >fascists, plain and simple, and while they shouldn't be in jail for >preaching hate there are much greater "disgraces" to be concerned about >which ought to be occupying our attention. Didn't think it'd be necessary to >make these distinctions here. Yeah, I didn't either. I don't think Holocaust deniers should be jailed, but I really wouldn't waste more than a few keystrokes ma ...

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15604 [lbo-talk] Re: freedom, double standards, etc. -- rank: 1000

I don't believe Holocaust deniers should be jailed, but I believe they shouldn't get the time of day. And it seemed that Frank Scott wouldn't have minded giving them a watch, along with the time of day. Doug Chris Doss wrote: >It's a bit of a disgrace if you ask me. > > >--- Jim Devine <jdevine03 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> agreed, but how about the issue of German jailing of >> H deniers? >> -- >> Jim Devine >> >> "The pr ...

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15605 [lbo-talk] Ernest Zundel -- rank: 1000

The argument of Frank Scott's prisoner of conscience, Ernest Zundel, from a site maintained by his wife (and check out his logo, in which the Z is made to look like as swastika) <http://www.zundelsite.org/english/101/101toc.html>: "Holocaust Myth 101" This English document comes in eight parts. It is the original document on which the following translations are based. It summarizes the following eight Revisionist claims, broadly sketched: PART I - The Holocaust is useful postwar ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 4 19:08:16 PST 2006

15606 [lbo-talk] Re: freedom, double standards, etc. -- rank: 1000

Jim Devine wrote: >while Holocaust denial is morally wrong, intellectually stupid, etc., >should Germany jail people who embrace it? If Scott is asking that >question, it's worth talking about (unless it's been discussed to >death already). I don't see why he should be expelled from the list. He's deposited a long string of offensive remarks, but the tone of the last was just too friendly to Holocaust deniers for my taste. If there hadn't been the prehistory, I wouldn't have kicked h ...

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15607 [lbo-talk] Re: freedom, double standards, etc. -- rank: 1000

Frank Scott wrote: >they specificaly question the alleged numbers of dead , the alleged >methods of killing, and the alleged plan for extermination...for >this they are in the slam, and much of the allegedly free world is >either totally ignorant of them, or, totally unconcerned about their >freedom to speak or think, since the subject is deemed sacred and >beyond question... Man, you're really icky. This is the last straw. Doug

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15608 [lbo-talk] the shark -- rank: 1000

"A direct search for the shark's ideological meaning evokes nothing but misguided questions.... In order to avoid this lure, we have to shift our perspective radically: the daily life of the common man is denominated by an inconsistent multitude of fears....and the accomplishment of Jaws consists in an act of purely formal conversion which provides a common 'container' for all these free-floating, inconsistent fears by way of anchoring them...in the figure of the shark. Consequently, the fu ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 4 15:45:20 PST 2006

15609 [lbo-talk] Re: Brokeback Mountain: A review by David McReynolds -- rank: 1000

Miles Jackson wrote: >We need to untangle the "meaning" of a work of art from the intention >or purpose of the artist. Oh yeah, I think I heard something about that. Except that, in Hollywood, it *is* often the intention of the "artist," or whoever it is who signs the checks, not to be controversial. A floating signifier can be good for the bottom line. Really, that's not a complicated point. Doug

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Date:	Sat Feb 4 15:22:59 PST 2006

15610 [lbo-talk] The Passing and Passion of Grandpa Al Lewis -- rank: 1000

Mitchel Cohen wrote: >I was struck by the amount of adulation and genuine affection that >so many people had for Al There was a great moment at the Socialist Scholars Conference about 10 years ago, when it was still at Borough of Manhattan Community College. There was also some kind of meeting of wrestlers going on, and they were enchanted by Al. Strange scene, the wrestlers and the socialists all gathered around him. Doug

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Date:	Sat Feb 4 15:20:45 PST 2006

15611 [lbo-talk] "Ambiguities" -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: > >A blank symbol would be quite an achievement. How do you establish that >such a difficult achievement is intended for commercial purposes rather >than artistic purposes. Did Wordsworth or Faulkner use focus groups? Doug

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15612 [lbo-talk] "Ambiguities" -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Justin wrote: > >>Doug distinguishes between "commercial" and serious" ambiguity. > > >I don't think that commercial or uncommercial is the relevant >distinction here. The question is whether the text includes cues >(or even just clues) that lead the audience to think one way or >another. My point is that in Jaws-style ambiguity you don't see those kinds of cues because they want the Symbol to be as blank a screen as possible ...

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Date:	Sat Feb 4 12:37:24 PST 2006

15613 [lbo-talk] Grandpa Al Lewis dead -- rank: 1000

Al Lewis - WBAI host and more famous as Grandpa in The Munsters - died last night. No more details available. Doug

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15614 Ambiguity. Meaning, Interpretation (Was Re: [lbo-talk] Munich) -- rank: 1000

andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Suprised to see you balk at ambiguity, Doug. There's serious ambiguity, and there's commercial ambiguity (is it too late to add an eighth type?). Jaws is about commercial ambiguity. Doug

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15615 [lbo-talk] Mendelsohn does Brokeback -- rank: 1000

New York Review of Books - February 23, 2006 Review An Affair to Remember By Daniel Mendelsohn Brokeback Mountain a film directed by Ang Lee, based on the story by E. Annie Proulx Brokeback Mountain-the highly praised new movie as well as the short story by Annie Proulx on which the picture is faithfully based-is a tale about two homosexual men. Two gay men. To some people it will seem strange to say this; to some other people, it will seem strange to have to say it. Strange to say it, because t ...

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