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15586 [lbo-talk] Re: "Freedom" of fascist speech is an absurdity -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: >Free speech _means_ no state interference. It has no other meaning. Do >not use it in any other sense because if you do you will cause >confusion. Since you seem to have unique possession of the Dictionary of Clear Thought and Speech, could you look this one up for me: what if a gang of fascist thugs tries to prevent, say, a black Leninist lawyer from Detroit from speaking by shouting him down? Should the cops intervene to allow him to speak? If they did, would that b ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 7 08:18:40 PST 2006

15587 [lbo-talk] How Gay Are You? -- rank: 1000

Jim wrote: >The quiz looks like a fraud it doesnt even include >bisexuality. Its stuck in a dualistic frame of mind. It's half of a broader quiz. The other half basically asks the same questions about the opposite sex, and grades you on a full homo/full hetero scale. There was a link to the original at the SA version the other day, but now I can't find it. It looks like the creator of the questionnaire, psychologist Robert Epstein, is a defender of "therapy" to convert gays into ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 7 08:10:20 PST 2006

15588 [lbo-talk] response to Fitch on single-payer -- rank: 1000

[Fairness dictates that I forward this weak response to Fitch's NYT op-ed. It has to concede that US unions have lagged badly on pushing for single-payer. Note that SEIU is missing from the list of good guys; as Fitch points out in his book, when Sweeney was running the union, it voted against campaigning for single-payer.] The Labor Movement and the Fight for Single-Payer: a Response to Robert Fitch by Jerry Gordon, Secretary, <http://www.spanohio.org> The December 28, 2005 issue of the N ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 7 07:58:53 PST 2006

15589 [lbo-talk] NYRB & Brokeback -- rank: 1000

The New York Review of Books politely reminded me that Daniel Mendelsohn's review of Brokeback Mountain, which I posted here by lazily forwarding it from another list, is copyrighted material, and didn't include a link to their original, where it is freely available. Multiple apologies to the NYRB, and to lbo-talk readers, since I usually like to include links to original sources. Sooo...the review is at <http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18712>. And while you're there, subscribe to the Revi ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 7 07:47:27 PST 2006

15590 [lbo-talk] How Gay Are You? -- rank: 1000

Jim Devine wrote: > > What is everyone else? > >I'm a 3, but such quizzes are silly. To a large extent you get the >score you want. But isn't it useful to know what score you want? Doug

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 15:21:38 PST 2006

15591 [lbo-talk] Iran and the Left in a Moral Snare -- rank: 1000

joanna wrote: >Completely agree with you Doug. The fundamental Israeli nationalism >rests on a claim of "blood" NOT religion and is a witness to its >noxious 19 C. roots. And the lack of a common culture was a huge >problem with the founding of Israel and continues to be a problem. I like Joel Schalit's point that without constant war, Israel would probably fall apart from its own internal divisions. Doug

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 14:55:21 PST 2006

15592 [lbo-talk] Iran and the Left in a Moral Snare -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >But Germans many generations displaced from the German homeland get priority >on return to that country through immigration, Greeks who had settled in >eastern Turkey for tens of generations returned to the Greek homeland after >they were driven out by the post-War I expulsions. How many generations >would Palestinians have to live in Brooklyn before they forfeit their right >of return? I think a Pal right of return is pretty phantasmic. israel exists, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Feb 6 14:54:09 PST 2006

15593 [lbo-talk] How Gay Are You? -- rank: 1000

Leigh Meyers wrote: >Happy without a label. A sentiment that labels you, of course. Hippie! Doug

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 14:37:04 PST 2006

15594 [lbo-talk] How Gay Are You? -- rank: 1000

BklynMagus wrote: >Here is the quiz. > >Surprise, suprise, I am a 13. > >http://www.sciammind.com/page.cfm?section=quiz > >What is everyone else? 10!

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 14:08:02 PST 2006

15595 [lbo-talk] Iran and the Left in a Moral Snare -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >Israeli nationalism as >completely different from other kinds of nationalism. In a sense, all >nationalism is a form of racism, but then that should be the issue, not >Israel specifically. I agree that nationalism should be an issue, but Zionism is different from other kinds of nationalism in that the claims of membership in the nation are different from most. How is it that someone born in Brooklyn can claim a piece of subsidized land in Israel based merely o ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 13:53:55 PST 2006

15596 [lbo-talk] Americans hold forth on sexual preference -- rank: 1000

<http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=108767> Scientific American MIND Nationwide Poll Reveals Surprising Perceptions of Sexual Orientation Among Americans 50% Believe Choice Plays No Role in Sexual Orientation; 47% Believe "All People Have the Potential to Be Attracted to Members of Both Sexes" NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 02/06/2006 -- Half of all Americans believe sexual orientation is "innate, genetic or predetermined by other factors such as envir ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 13:04:37 PST 2006

15597 [lbo-talk] Fun with Bioinformatics -- rank: 1000

Kevin Robert Dean wrote: >Found this site that apparently can match your features to >celebrities---for some reason mine was most like Tommy Lee Jones. > >Ran our listmod thru, he may be proud to know that he is a 51% match >to Henry Kissinger > >http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/tryFaceRecognition.php?s=1&u=g0&lang=EN >___________________________________ Damn thing doesn't like Safari - gotta use Firefox! How annoying. It tells me I also look like - yuck - Art ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 08:06:03 PST 2006

15598 [lbo-talk] "Freedom" of fascist speech is an absurdity -- rank: 1000

Wendy Lyon wrote: >On 2/5/06, Charles Brown <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> wrote: > >> Fascist "freedom" of speech is "freedom" to advocate the abolition of > > freedom of speech. Abolition of freedom of speech is inherent to >any fascist > > state, by definition of fascist state. It is absurd to argue for the > > "freedom" to advocate the end of freedom of speech. > >Why? Funny how this argument repeats the argument o ...

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Date:	Mon Feb 6 07:43:23 PST 2006

15599 [lbo-talk] Stillers -- rank: 1000

John Lacny wrote: >What are people's views on the ethics of encouraging riots to no >sociopolitical purpose? Answer quickly, because I'm about to go join the >masses. gorforit

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sun Feb 5 21:00:55 PST 2006

15600 [lbo-talk] Ernest Zundel -- rank: 1000

Jim Devine wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: >> The argument of Frank Scott's prisoner of conscience, Ernest Zundel, >> from a site maintained by his wife (and check out his logo, in which >> the Z is made to look like as swastika) >> <http://www.zundelsite.org/english/101/101toc.html>: > >so it's okay that Zundel is in jail because he's a Nazi. But the state >can use the same law to lock up commies. And has done so. Once again, I don't think people should ...

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Date:	Sun Feb 5 11:14:22 PST 2006