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15556 [lbo-talk] response to Fitch on single-payer -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >The problem is that any particular example of union corruption is used to >stand in for the whole union movement, even as pervasive corporate crime is >treated as "bad eggs" in a basically sound system. And it pisses me off to >no end when someone like Fitch just feeds the union corruption meme without >context. You read the book? Doug

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Date:	Thu Feb 9 08:42:40 PST 2006

15557 [lbo-talk] citizens & SP -- rank: 1000

Nathan Newman wrote: >My maximalist demand is that everyone in the country get decent health care >coverage. Single payer is just one method and I don't fetishize means. At >the moment, it looks like a piss-poor unlikely means to get to the real >maximalist goals, so why support it. If the conservative movement had embraced this sort of strategy in the wake of Goldwater's massive loss in 1964, where might they be today? And...there's nothing stopping one from supporting incrementa ...

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Date:	Thu Feb 9 08:30:31 PST 2006

15558 [lbo-talk] test icicles -- rank: 1000

Sean Johnson Andrews wrote: >just finished listening to their (test icicles) new album, featured >on last week's edition of the radio show about economics & politics >with best music, according to the village voice. In this case, I am >in full agreement with that award--thanks for the tip, Doug. You're welcome. I was tipped off to them via a recommendation in one of my favorite gossip sources, Popbitch. About half their musical rec's are excellent - and the other half are droopy ...

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Date:	Thu Feb 9 08:27:14 PST 2006

15559 [lbo-talk] Luntz banned from Rep retreat -- rank: 1000

[wonder if it might have something to do with Luntz's misleading polling on the Contract, for which he was censured by AAPOR - someone forwarded this to the AAPOR list with the omission below] Pollster Booted From Retreat - GOP Event Opens Thursday By Ben Pershing, Roll Call Staff February 8, 2006 The ascent last week of Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) to the Majority Leader post has put the agenda for the upcoming House GOP retreat somewhat in flux, but one thing is certain: Frank Luntz won't be t ...

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Date:	Thu Feb 9 06:27:59 PST 2006

15560 [lbo-talk] endorsers for HR 676 -- rank: 1000

[from Physicians for A National Health Plan, as of 1/24/06 - not a single SEIU local that I see] RESOLUTIONS ENDORSING HR 676 ("United States National Health Insurance Act," -Expanded & Improved Medicare for All Act) have been passed by the following union organizations (partial listing) 1. Duluth (Minnesota) AFL-CIO Central Labor Body 2. American Federation of Government Employees Local 2028, 3. Plumbers and Steamfitters HVAC, Local 188, United Association, Savannah, GA. 4. United ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 15:16:10 PST 2006

15561 [lbo-talk] citizens & SP -- rank: 1000

Oh, and it was true in the early days that single-payer campaigns were silent on citizenship status. No longer. The Calif bill explicitly says "residents," not citizens, and the national Conyers bill does as well <http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm>. So, Nathan, ready to sign on, or still for "incremental change"? Doug

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 15:11:35 PST 2006

15562 [lbo-talk] unions & single-payer -- rank: 1000

Just had a chat with someone who's deeply involved in the politics of the single-payer campaign. The unions - including SEIU - are largely missing in action. Some put out nice statements and do nothing to fight for the position. My source attributes this to slavish devotion to the Dems, unwillingness to rock the boat, and in the case of SEIU, a preference for doing deals with their employers (about 1/2 of SEIU's membership works in health care). Some locals and grassroots types are signing on to ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 15:09:22 PST 2006

15563 [lbo-talk] jeffrey stonecash takes issue with frank's "what's the matter with kansas?" -- rank: 1000

ulisse mangialaio wrote: >at http://www.bepress.com/forum/vol3/iss3/art4/ > >i cannot access the full article (could anyone provide to the >commons?), but from the abstract one would argue that stonecash 's >view doesn't differ from bartel's. > >Thomas Frank argues that Republicans are able to use cultural issues >to suppress class divisions. They appeal to religiously conservative >working class voters by opposing abortion and homosexuality. The >difficulty is tha ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 15:06:36 PST 2006

15564 [lbo-talk] response to Fitch on single-payer -- rank: 1000

John Lacny wrote: >Fitch argues that recent organizing gains >don't count because unions have been organizing broads and broads aren't >real workers Since you're so fact-based - where the fuck did Fitch ever say this? Doug

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 14:19:40 PST 2006

15565 [lbo-talk] response to Fitch on single-payer -- rank: 1000

John Lacny wrote: >But it turns out that you don't get anywhere by >just "making maximalist demands." You organize and mobilize for them. Well yeah - that's what unions are for. And they're doing a piss-poor job of it. Doug

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 14:08:21 PST 2006

15566 [lbo-talk] response to Fitch on single-payer -- rank: 1000

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: >In any case, attacking the messenger does not strike me as the very >effective way of addressing issues identified in the message. If the US >unions are so good, why are they so bad in protecting interests of the >working class? You just don't understand. If you worked for SEIU, you would, though. Doug

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 14:07:30 PST 2006

15567 [lbo-talk] response to Fitch on single-payer -- rank: 1000

John Lacny wrote: >Nathan Newman: > >> So let's see -- various local unions -- which are the >> ones who control the health care funds and benefit from >> the supposed corruption Fitch discusses -- support >> single payer health plans where they think it's >> feasible, while the national SEIU office, which doesn't >> control those health care funds directly, promote a >> diversity of feasible proposals reflecting a national >> organi ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 13:14:19 PST 2006

15568 [lbo-talk] Choire Sicha on the 'toons -- rank: 1000

<http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/oped/would_you_like_havarti_with_those_freedom_fries.php> Would You Like Havarti With Those Freedom Fries? BY CHOIRE SICHA Embassies have been torched, several people have died, ignorance flows from all corners-all for a few cartoons less intelligible than your average "Cathy" strip. Welcome to the new medievalism. And then the Vatican weighed in on the Danish cartoon freakshow that is now literally burning up Eurasia. "The right to fr ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 10:25:57 PST 2006

15569 [lbo-talk] Cardinal Egan...gay?!?!?! -- rank: 1000

<http://villagevoice.com/news/0606,lombardi,72095,6.html> Outing Cardinal Egan A priest's lawsuit alleges the Catholic Church is hiding pedophile clergy-and offers a stunning reason why by Kristen Lombardi February 7th, 2006 11:40 AM Who knows whether Cardinal Edward Egan is sleeping soundly these days. But as head of the New York archdiocese-as the top Roman Catholic prelate in the state-he'd have every reason to be restless after the recent advent of a little-noticed lawsuit. The suit, n ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 8 08:27:09 PST 2006

15570 [lbo-talk] the most amazing gossip item of the year -- rank: 1000

New York Post [Page Six] - February 8, 2006 PARIS' TIP HELPS NAB INVADER PARIS Hilton, crime fighter? A Nancy Drew in a thong, Hilton proved crucial in the guilty plea yesterday by the man who was charged with burglarizing "Girls Gone Wild!" creator Joe Francis' home in 2004, and then hog-tying the video millionaire and videotaping him in sexually explicit positions. L.A. cops busted Darnell Riley after Francis told them that Hilton had overheard in December 2004 that Riley and another ...

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