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15466 [lbo-talk] Re: further adventures in political surrealism -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall wrote: >I agree that this is another depressing example of "false consciousness", >which I think has mostly do with people believing that tax cuts in these >times offer a more promising way of improving their take home pay than >fighting for higher pay and improved social benefits. This view is >reinforced both by the decline of working class economic and political >power, and ruling class promotion rather than resistance to tax cuts. The >fact that ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 16:21:46 PST 2006

15467 [lbo-talk] Re: further adventures in political surrealism -- rank: 1000

Doug Henwood wrote: >And, in general, it's the upscale white voters who have more >conservative social attitudes, and it's also the upscale for whom >the social issues are more weighty in their voting choices. In other >words, there's no evidence for the bait-and-switch argument, and >substantial evidence against it. Sorry, scratch the first part of this - I misread the table. Downscale voters do have more conservative social attitudes, but they don't matter much in their politica ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 14:59:44 PST 2006

15468 [lbo-talk] How flame wars start [was: How it works in Santa Cruz] -- rank: 1000

Leigh Meyers wrote: >Carrol Cox wrote: >>This all comes from a naive, even childish, view of the glories of >>bourgeois democracy. Grow up and recognize that all these crimes are a >>result of the ordinary working of bourgeois democracy at its best. The >>method under fascism is quite different. >> >>You are in effect spreading propaganda for capitalism and for the DP. >> >> > >It's called ad hominem... And you are trolling. Carrol's many ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 14:47:34 PST 2006

15469 [lbo-talk] Re: further adventures in political surrealism -- rank: 1000

Jim Devine wrote: >could it be that even though it's wrong on average, the "Kansas >thesis" is right on the margin? That is, _some_ workers are fooled by >the culture wars bait-and-switch and vote against their class >interest. In turn, only a small shift in the vote might change the >overall balance of power? Maybe, but I'm reading the latest version of Bartels' Kansas paper now in the other window. It responds to Frank's self-defense (which he got from Ruy Teixeira) by ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 14:44:46 PST 2006

15470 [lbo-talk] bumper snicker of the day -- rank: 1000

Jordan Hayes wrote: >When Clinton shot someone in the face, she didn't end up in the ICU. Maybe Whittington will have a second career designing handbags.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 14:22:47 PST 2006

15471 [lbo-talk] Re: further adventures in political surrealism -- rank: 1000

Just read the full paper. Aside from being depressing as hell - basically most people are very poorly informed, but it doesn't matter that much because they can't connect the dots anyway - it further undermines the Kansas thesis, since it shows strong popular support for repealing the inheritance tax (therefore there's no culture wars bait-and-switch going on). One reason for this strange position: if people think they pay too much in taxes, they're more likely to support repeal. People who supp ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 13:42:17 PST 2006

15472 [lbo-talk] further adventures in political surrealism -- rank: 1000

[this is an excerpt from Larry Bartels' paper "Homer Gets a Tax Cut" <http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/homer.pdf>] The results of my analysis suggest that most Americans support tax cuts not because they are indifferent to economic inequality, but because they largely fail to connect inequality and public policy. Three out of every four people say that the difference in incomes between rich people and poor people has increased in the past 20 years, and most of them add that that ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 13:12:47 PST 2006

15473 [lbo-talk] Lies about Union Corruption -- rank: 1000

Alex Lantsberg wrote: >i'm not sure if anyone else ran across this, but i decided to see what >pops up in google when looking for corruption in the building trades >and found a great fitch speech about why union corruption matter and >how he responds to criticism. in essence he knocks down each of the >arguments nathan's been giving us...check it out. > >http://www.laborers.org/Fitch_Corruption_10-21-99.html An excerpt, for those who didn't click on the link: [...] The Meta ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 12:53:33 PST 2006

15474 [lbo-talk] Cheney speaks! -- rank: 1000

Dennis Claxton wrote: >In his first public remarks on the accident, Mr. Cheney also took >full responsibility for the shooting that left his friend, Harry M. >Whittington, an Austin lawyer, with pellet wounds to his face, neck, >chest and rib cage. > >"Ultimately, I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round >that hit Harry," he said in a televised interview with the Fox News >anchor Brit Hume in Washington. "You can talk about all the other > ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 12:51:33 PST 2006

15475 [lbo-talk] WITBD, the feminist version -- rank: 1000

Woj often asks for agenda items that could appeal to the American masses. Here's on attempt, from the "dean of feminist economists," Barbara Bergmann: <http://www.dissentmagazine.org/menutest/articles/wi06/bergmann.htm>. Doug

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 12:50:19 PST 2006

15476 [lbo-talk] Cheney speaks! -- rank: 1000

Jim Devine wrote: >NPR suggested that the press is making a big thing about it because >they're tired of being stonewalled by the White House on lots of >issues. As much as I love this story, and I do love it a lot, it'd be nice if they made a bigger deal out of the important stuff too. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 12:26:49 PST 2006

15477 [lbo-talk] hunters agree: it was Cheney's fault -- rank: 1000

Jim Devine wrote: >is it true that Harry Wittington was sleeping with Lynn Cheney? Yeah, but only when he was wearing a dress. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 10:50:47 PST 2006

15478 [lbo-talk] Peter Singer on Jill Carroll -- rank: 1000

Los Angeles Times - February 15, 2006 Will we let Jill Carroll be killed? By Peter Singer JILL CARROLL, the 28-year-old freelance reporter for the Christian Science Monitor who has been held by kidnappers in Iraq since Jan. 7, appeared on a video last week. "Please just do whatever they want," she said. "Give them whatever they want as quickly as possible. There is a very short time. Please do it fast. That's all." What the kidnappers want is for the United States to free the ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 10:23:25 PST 2006

15479 [lbo-talk] Cheney speaks! -- rank: 1000

Thomas Seay wrote: > > ...to Fox, at 2. > >Would someone explain to me why this is a big deal? >People get excited when hunting and, if they are not >careful, they do something stupid like Cheney did >here. >Yes, he has apparently been trying to avoid coverage >of it, but I dont see that this has any real political >ramifications. Am I wrong? I don't know squat about hunting, but the experts all say it's Cheney's fault, and he's acting like a Dick for not admittin ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 15 10:12:53 PST 2006

15480 [lbo-talk] Grandpa Al memorial on Saturday in NYC -- rank: 1000

"HOME GOING MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR GRANDPA AL LEWIS" The Home Going Memorial Service for Grandpa Al Lewis is scheduled for Saturday, February 18, 2006, from 1:00 PM to 4:00 PM, at The Riverside Church, located at 490 Riverside Drive, between 120th and 122nd Street, in New York City. The service will serve to enlighten and encourage other artists and people in prominent positions to use their voice as he did as a warrior in the struggle for peace and justice. Grandpa attended Thomas Jeffe ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Feb 15 09:02:12 PST 2006