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1546 [lbo-talk] Imperialism -- rank: 1000

On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:07 AM, // ravi wrote: > At the same time, Carrol can, I think, cut us some slack for attempting think through things To him, there's nothing to be thought through. Everything is settled, and can be expressed in a few rigid axioms. Funny, given his age, that Lenin caricatured this mode of thought as an infantile disorder. Doug

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1547 [lbo-talk] Making it harder to vote -- rank: 1000

On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Wails about IDs are wails about one of the lesser side effects of the War > against Terror. These laws are directed heavily against black citizens of the U.S. - people whose ancestors have been here longer than mine. > P.S. Probably making it harder to vote is about as serious as (say) would be > the rationing of root beer. Who wants to vote anyway. Lots of people. Millions of people have fought and died for the right to vote. Really, ...

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1548 [lbo-talk] Achcar's latest -- rank: 1000

On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > This list is in a conspiracy to make me contemptuous of almost all the > posters I have respected most. Now ravi joins the play-acting with human > lives. What are you talking about? Did you always issue obnoxious pronouncements like this, or did it hit you in old age? Really, I've deliberately avoided fighting with you for a long time now, but the arrogance and hostility of this sort of thing is really indefensible. Doug

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1549 [lbo-talk] today's fashion directive -- rank: 1000

On Mar 24, 2011, at 5:24 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > But this might have something to do with how seldom they buy new underwear. http://www.freshpair.com

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1550 [lbo-talk] today's fashion directive -- rank: 1000

http://www.theawl.com/2011/03/tom-ford-dead-right-about-shorts-men-should-not-wear-them Wednesday, March 23rd, 2011 WEAR PANTS Tom Ford Dead Right About Shorts: Men Should Not Wear Them by Alex Balk on March 23rd, 2011 "A man should never wear shorts in the city. Flip-flops and shorts in the city are never appropriate. Shorts should only be worn on the tennis court or on the beach." I am not generally the Tom Ford-adulator in the editorial team here, but today I swear fealty to Tom For ...

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1551 [lbo-talk] Achcar's latest -- rank: 1000

On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Voyou wrote: > If Achar wants a debate from an anti-imperialist perspective, it would > be good if his own position was more clearly anti-imperialist. But in > much of this piece he writes as if he has no objection to imperialist > interventions as such Isn't that his point, and one Lenin appeared to agree with, at least at the moment he wrote the quoted passage? (A reminder of what Lenin said: "To reject compromises 'on principle', to reject the per ...

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1552 [lbo-talk] Achcar's latest -- rank: 1000

On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:57 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > Achcar concludes that a result of UNSC 1973 will be that "...the next time Israel's air force bombs one of its neighbours, whether Gaza or Lebanon, people will demand a no-fly zone." That's really whistling in the dark. People will. Many, probably. But no one with power. Doug

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1553 [lbo-talk] Achcar's latest -- rank: 1000

[Like I said, I'm not sure what I think of this business, but Achcar's position is worth taking seriously.] http://www.zcommunications.org/libya-a-legitimate-and-necessary-debate-from-an-anti-imperialist-perspective-by-gilbert-achcar Libya: a legitimate and necessary debate from an anti-imperialist perspective By Gilbert Achcar "The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was indeed a compromise with the imperialists, but it was a compromise which, under the circumstances, had to be made. ... To reject com ...

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1554 [lbo-talk] Libya -- rank: 1000

On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Somebody Somebody wrote: > Would Achcar and others support the current air-war against Libya if the Israeli's were involved, or leading it? If not, why not? What if they behaved in such a way that they caused fewer death (even if by 1), than those that would have been caused by Qaddafi taking Benghazi? > > > I suspect that we would have fewer waffling on the left if this scenario were to present itself. But it's not. So your point is...?

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1555 [lbo-talk] Audience -- rank: 1000

On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Somebody Somebody wrote: > He makes figures like Plato and Chekhov sound contemporary and relevant. Does he actually say anything about them? Or just give them a shout-out? Doug

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1556 [lbo-talk] Libya -- rank: 1000

On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:33 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > On 2011-03-23, at 4:01 PM, Wojtek S wrote: > >> I am still on the fence regarding the Libya's >> revolution, I understand that there might be some true pro-democracy >> forces there, but I am reasonably certain of one thing - that there >> are many good ways of helping and supporting these forces, but sending >> F-15s and Tomahawk missiles is not one of them. > > Nice thought, but what measures did you h ...

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1557 [lbo-talk] Audience -- rank: 1000

On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > And of course a critique of 4 33 based on a video would make the critic > look pretty silly. Carrol, I've seen West in action many times. This is a totally ludicrous comparison.

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1558 [lbo-talk] Cornel West at the Left Forum -- rank: 1000

"The soft bigotry of low expectations..." On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:36 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Say what? > > J. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:29:24 PM > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Cornel West at the Left Forum > > Those who claim some sophistication in responding to a text (of any sort) > hardly live up to their claims w ...

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1559 [lbo-talk] Cornel West at the Left Forum -- rank: 1000

On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:35 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Did Left Forum really pay him 25K to speak? I have no idea. He does pull down the big bucks though.

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1560 [lbo-talk] Cornel West at the Left Forum -- rank: 1000

On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Those who claim some sophistication in responding to a text (of any sort) > hardly live up to their claims when they are so utterly innocent of genre as > West's critics seem to be. Prof Emeritus, at least two people have weighed in on this with some knowledge of the genre. Michael Smith says that West bears no relation to the many black preachers he's heard. And Adolph Reed has offered biographical evidence that West has no history at al ...

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