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1471 [lbo-talk] Wisconsin politics - Rogers clarifies -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Jeffrey Fisher wrote: >>> New new new. Certainly not rural. More just upwardly striving (above >> their class, not with it) deracinated pig suburbanites, part of a much >> broader and familiar phenomenon, and easily assimilated to traditional >> reactionary Babbitry >> >> Doug >> >> > Interesting. So if I follow this correctly, he's saying traditional > reactionary Babbitry is a new (or at least new-ish) thing i ...

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Date:	Mon May 2 18:00:22 PDT 2011

1472 [lbo-talk] Race to Nowhere | Slate -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 3:43 PM, John Wesley wrote: > Could have had me fooled! That's five, fella. You're on moderation. Better make them interesting. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 2 12:50:19 PDT 2011

1473 [lbo-talk] Race to Nowhere | Slate -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, John Wesley wrote: His fourth post of the day. The limit is three. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 2 12:35:51 PDT 2011

1474 [lbo-talk] Race to Nowhere | Slate -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 3:22 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > They don't play all that much. Especially not free social play that I had from morning to night, just by stepping out on the street. No one steps out on the street. Public space became closed to children about 25 years ago. > > They play only in private spaces, and the achievement race starts early and is unrelenting. Again, that's just not true in Brooklyn. There are kids all over. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 2 12:27:51 PDT 2011

1475 [lbo-talk] Race to Nowhere | Slate -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Mark Bennett wrote: > Do kids still play? I haven't any myself, so I don't know. I certainly > don't see kids playing anywhere in my daily travels. You don't even see > kids riding bikes very much. You do in Brooklyn. Ours plays and rides his bike. The neighborhood playgrounds are full. But I think it's a different story in the suburbs. Doug

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1476 [lbo-talk] Obama got Osama -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Alan Rudy wrote: > the aggregate level of human immiseration generated by capitalist > technological "progress" is far higher than the net benefit to capitalist > and professional classes Really? You mean there were mass literacy and 80-year life expectancies back in 1600? Isn't it safer to say we can do a lot better for many more people now than we are than it is to make an insupportable claim like this? And one of the reasons is that the social s ...

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Date:	Mon May 2 12:07:30 PDT 2011

1477 [lbo-talk] Race to Nowhere | Slate -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, // ravi wrote: > First-time filmmaker Vicki Abeles, 49, a Northern California lawyer and mother of three, was moved to pick up a camera when her children started suffering from school-related headaches, stomachaches, and panic attacks. What she produced is a wide-ranging polemic against our current education system that is artless, occasionally overwrought, and undeniably powerful. It confirms and stokes the unease many parents have about how miserable much of chil ...

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Date:	Mon May 2 11:57:04 PDT 2011

1478 [lbo-talk] Obama got Osama -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 1:21 PM, MICHAEL YATES wrote: > Alan Rudy, you are really an asshole. I have been writing and acting for radical change for a long > time. If you can find a single person or a word I have written that smacks of superiority, show me. > Meanwhile, maybe you should think before you babble. I don't think that was directed at you, Michael - I think it was directed at the double nonentity known as "Somebody Somebody." Doug

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Date:	Mon May 2 10:28:04 PDT 2011

1479 [lbo-talk] Wisconsin politics - Rogers clarifies -- rank: 1000

On May 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Jeffrey Fisher wrote: > So the conservatives in Waukesha County are actually the outliers in that > understanding. But it's surely the outliers here that fund the right-wing > side of the struggle. I asked Joel Rogers about that. His response (the first sentence is his reaction to my question about whether they were a new addition to his old model): > New new new. Certainly not rural. More just upwardly striving (above their class, not with it) deracinated ...

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Date:	Mon May 2 09:19:18 PDT 2011

1480 [lbo-talk] American Idiocracy redux -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > But does not The Nation have some kind of investigative fund? $20k > may be a chunk for grunts like us, but it is not a whole lot of money > for an organization, even a liberal one. They'd rather spend the money on the Alger Hiss papers - a few years ago, they kicked in about $60,000. The 990s of the Nation Institute make interesting reading. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 2 09:16:28 PDT 2011

1481 [lbo-talk] American Idiocracy redux -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > I do not > think creating an analogous measure and reporting the results would be > terribly difficult for, say, the Left Business Observer or The Nation, > not to mention the NYT. Doing a proper scientific poll is very expensive, on the order of $20,000. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 2 08:52:14 PDT 2011

1482 [lbo-talk] Obama got Osama -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2011, at 2:27 AM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > What, do they think that Al Queda will fall apart because Bin Laden is dead? What is AQ these days? There's probably some truth to the claim that constant harassment by the CIA et al has "degraded" its capabilities, whatever those were. Most of the leadership is dead, behind bars, or on the run. Whatever structure it had is probably gone. But there are all these freelancers and affiliates around the world who can do plenty o ...

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Date:	Mon May 2 05:41:16 PDT 2011

1483 [lbo-talk] Internationale -- rank: 1000

In honor of May Day - a few hours left! - a great version by the late Alistair Hulett: http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Internationale.mp3

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Date:	Sun May 1 18:49:38 PDT 2011

1484 [lbo-talk] The Soviet Union Versus Socialism - Noam Chomsky -- rank: 1000

On May 1, 2011, at 9:14 PM, SA wrote: > On 5/1/2011 9:02 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> On May 1, 2011, at 8:56 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >> >>> Cf. his lecture from 40 years ago, "Government in the Future" (Seven Stories Press 2005): >>> >>> "I think that the libertarian socialist concepts - and by that I mean a range of thinking that extends from left-wing Marxism through anarchism - are fundamentally correct and that they are the prop ...

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1485 [lbo-talk] The Soviet Union Versus Socialism - Noam Chomsky -- rank: 1000

On May 1, 2011, at 8:56 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > Cf. his lecture from 40 years ago, "Government in the Future" (Seven Stories Press 2005): > > "I think that the libertarian socialist concepts - and by that I mean a range of thinking that extends from left-wing Marxism through anarchism - are fundamentally correct and that they are the proper and natural extension of classical liberalism into the era of advanced industrial society." Classical liberalism? Really? Y ...

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