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1381 [lbo-talk] New Libyan Prime Minister is U.S. Citizen -- rank: 1000

On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Well, Berlin & Wall Street can have a friendly quarrel over which one rules > Libya now. It obviously is not going to be the Libyans themselves. We just don't know how things will shake out. There will be elections - this guy is supposed to be some sort of transitional caretaker. Islamists could end up running the show - and not only in Libya. They're well-organized and have a coherent ideology, unlike their colleagues in revolution. But ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 1 14:33:27 PDT 2011

1382 [lbo-talk] New Libyan Prime Minister is U.S. Citizen -- rank: 1000

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:53 PM, SA wrote: > I remember when they installed Hamid Karzai as leader in Afghanistan. He'd been a consultant for Unocal, the U.S. oil company, which Antiwar.com said proved he was a U.S. lackey. The Iraqi government has proved a poor puppet too, hasn't it? Doug

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Date:	Tue Nov 1 13:02:57 PDT 2011

1383 [lbo-talk] Liberals -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > Doug cited this untethered hot-air balloon of an obiter-dictum > in response to an observation of mine about the necessary > circularity of definitions (which is not quite the same thing > as a tautology, NB). Not quite the same thing, but not unrelated. When HB says it, it's bombast. When you say it, it sparkles with wit. Doug

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Date:	Tue May 31 20:34:00 PDT 2011

1384 [lbo-talk] Liberals -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Michael J. Smith wrote: > The best definition of "liberal" is "somebody who listens > to NPR, and believes what he hears". > > Circular, I know. But so many definitions are, and must be, > unless you believe in ontological primitives. "All truth is a deep tautology." - Harold Bloom, a man you were dis'ing just the other day.

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Date:	Tue May 31 17:42:21 PDT 2011

1385 [lbo-talk] Rolling Stone: How Roger Ailes created Fox News starting in 1968 -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > I know these aren't the only two choices, but just out of curiosity, would you a prefer an NPR that had Fox's talking point discipline to what exists now? If they were my talking points, for sure. Doug

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Date:	Tue May 31 13:54:06 PDT 2011

1386 [lbo-talk] Rolling Stone: How Roger Ailes created Fox News starting in 1968 -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > But again, I think the vote mechanism is not through the broad electorate but through the Republican primary electorate. The Republican Party has been moving right since like 1964. Fox is part of the story, for sure, but liberals blow it out of all proportion. They should devote 1/4 of the time they spend whining about Fox pushing unions to do something useful with their human and financial resources. Doug

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1387 [lbo-talk] Rolling Stone: How Roger Ailes created Fox News starting in 1968 -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 4:13 PM, socialismorbarbarism wrote: > So, by the most important standard of capitalism--making > profits--Ailes's operation is wildly successful. It is not just that > he can send his vile propaganda into "only" a third of the homes in > the US and maintain a steady audience of "only" 1% of the population. > It is that he has designed a business model where his vile propaganda > can make mad bucks. And, since in the US the news media are ...

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Date:	Tue May 31 13:21:59 PDT 2011

1388 [lbo-talk] Rolling Stone: How Roger Ailes created Fox News starting in 1968 -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 3:41 PM, SA wrote: > No, I don't think this is right. Fox is run explicitly as an agitprop organ for a highly articulated political formation. There's no equivalence. If elite wisdom shifts two degrees to the left, Fox literally has an editorial meeting where they ask "how can we push back against this?" Whereas NPR *is* elite wisdom A subset of elite wisdom. It reflects and shapes a fraction of the professional and managerial class's thinking. But I doubt it has ...

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Date:	Tue May 31 13:09:39 PDT 2011

1389 [lbo-talk] Rolling Stone: How Roger Ailes created Fox News starting in 1968 -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 1:00 PM, SA wrote: > Besides, I don't see how "older white men" constitute a demographic with little social influence. It sounds like the demographic of most corporate CEOs. (The share of Fox viewers with a college degree is above the national average.) There's also good reason to think a disproportionate number of Fox viewers are small business owners. So that's why the incontinence space is a key ad target? These are not CEOs. The college grad share may be abov ...

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Date:	Tue May 31 10:24:21 PDT 2011

1390 [lbo-talk] RTe: The revolution will not be televised -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Joshua Morey wrote: > Anyway, not sure what you think of him, but Boots Riley from the Coup might > make a great guest. He's been on my list for quite a while. I once had his phone number, actually, but somehow lost it, alas. Doug

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1391 [lbo-talk] Rolling Stone: How Roger Ailes created Fox News starting in 1968 -- rank: 1000

On May 31, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Michael Pollak wrote: > Long article, but enjoyed it: > > http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525 > > I'm kind of embarassed to admit how many things I learned that I didn't know but now feel that I ought to have. This article assumes that Fox has a vast influence. But what about this: > Ailes knows exactly who is watching Fox News each day, and he is adept at playing to their darkest fears ...

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Date:	Tue May 31 06:35:25 PDT 2011

1392 [lbo-talk] RTe: The revolution will not be televised -- rank: 1000

On May 30, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > Would Carrol's hero and mine -- John Milton -- have endorsed > the Coxian teaching here? Hard to imagine him singing along with Pete Seeger, for sure. Doug

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1393 [lbo-talk] RTe: The revolution will not be televised -- rank: 1000

On May 30, 2011, at 9:02 PM, // ravi wrote: > I am a sucker for pop/hiphop/melody. Melody, ewwwww!

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1394 [lbo-talk] RTe: The revolution will not be televised -- rank: 1000

On May 30, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Gar Lipow wrote: > I don't know if Eugene Hütz is available as a guest, but you could > play some Gogol Bordello. Immigraniada (We Comin' Rougher) is their > most famous political song. But Supertheory of Supereverything rocks > is just as much about immigration experience. Hmm, just watched about 20 secs on YouTube. They sound like a de-ironized acoustic Laibach. Maybe I should give them another chance. Doug

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Date:	Mon May 30 13:08:24 PDT 2011

1395 [lbo-talk] RTe: The revolution will not be televised -- rank: 1000

I was thinking of doing a radio show on political music - why so much of it sucks, and what makes the good stuff, like Gil Scott-Heron, not suck. Any ideas, either for substance or guests? Ned Sublette would be on the list, for sure. But others? Doug

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