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13666 [lbo-talk] Borat -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Michael J. Smith wrote: > Hold everything! Did I dream it, or did you recently say > someone was 'delusional'? That wasn't an insult - that was a statement of fact! Doug

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13667 [lbo-talk] Borat -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > The question is, is this movie worth paying what it costs to catch it > in a theater? To answer that question, you read reviews and watch > trailers. For sure; it make sense to try to figure out whether it's worth spending money on a movie instead of a case of beer. But you should see a movie before offering analyses of its cultural import, don't you think? Doug

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13668 [lbo-talk] Jeff Weintraub: Ellen Willis, democratic socialist and anti-anti-Zionist, 1941-2006 -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Michael Pugliese wrote: > http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/2006/11/ellen-willis-democratic- > socialist-and.html Which approvingly cites her essay on anti-anti-Zionism <http:// journalism.nyu.edu/faculty/files/Willis-Is%20There%20Still%20A% 20Jewish%20Question.pdf>. I think psychology plays an important role in politics, but she writes out of the story all of Israel's repressive policies. Coming after the recent rampages in Lebanon and Gaza, this sort ...

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13669 [lbo-talk] Borat -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > In this case, Borat, it seems to me, ingeniously gives both liberals > and conservatives what they want: liberals get their idea of Middle > America; and conservatives get their idea of a foreigner from a stan. Have you seen the movie? The other day you said you hadn't, right? Along with a moratorium on insults, could we have a moratorium on critiques of movies we haven't seen and books we haven't read? Doug

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13670 [lbo-talk] Willis memorials -- rank: 1000

The Nation has posted several memorials to Ellen Willis, including Liza's, at <http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061127/ellen_willis>. Doug

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13671 [lbo-talk] Borat -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Michael J. Smith wrote: > I'm a relative newbie here myself, but I'm quite delighted by > the combativeness of this list. I love combativeness - I just don't like personal insults. Doug

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13672 [lbo-talk] Borat -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Chris Doss wrote: > Am I imagining things, or have 75% of LBO threads over > the last couple of days involved people insulting each other? That might be an exaggeration, but you've got a point. Let's have an insult moratorium, ok? Maybe even go out of our way to say something kind about an interlocutor. Doug

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13673 [lbo-talk] Iran's once active campuses falling silent -- rank: 1000

On Nov 11, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > More generally, though, student and other protests during the Khatami > era were never simply about civil liberties, which are at or near the > bottom of people's concerns in Iran, the US, or any other country for > that matter (most people's top priority is economy, and only wars like > the Iraq War can rival that), and they were swelled by the Khatami > administration's liberal economic policy, including tuition hikes, as ...

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13674 [lbo-talk] Best Buy insults Jesus -- rank: 1000

[these thumpers are never satisfied - Wal-Mart comes back to the fold and embraces an "in your face" Christmas, but Best Buy joins the pagans] Begin forwarded message: AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION Donald E. Wildmon Founder and Chairman November 10, 2006 Please help us get this information into the hands of as many people as possible by forwarding it to your entire email list of family and friends. Best Buy Bans Use of Merry Christmas In Advertising Dear dhenwood at panix.com, Best Bu ...

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13675 [lbo-talk] Arianna: Make Murtha House Majority Leader -- rank: 1000

On Nov 10, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > As the man with the gravitas to lead the withdrawal: > > http://www.alternet.org/story/44123/ > > The rest of the article (esp. the excusion about Lamont) tumbles > over the top into hackery. But the Murtha suggestion in itself is > kind of interesting. Murtha is a total social reactionary, no? Doug

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13676 [lbo-talk] Another version of the election for progressives argument -- rank: 1000

On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > [Here's a slightly more focused version of the argument that the > election will make the Democratic party relatively more progressive > rather than relatively more conservative. The argument in a > nutshell is that much more significant than the fact that the new > marginal districts are purple is that the leadership of the > committees will be more progressive. And it is those leaders who > control the legislative part ...

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13677 [lbo-talk] Bill Maher outs Ken Mehlman on Larry King? -- rank: 1000

On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/08/censored-by-cnn-bill- > mah_n_33701.html Well, Mehlman's quitting, so they can put that all behind them. Doug

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13678 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:45 PM, JBrown72073 at cs.com wrote: > you posted something from Dwayne on HIA Horrified in Absentia? (Actually it's History in Action, right?) Doug

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13679 [lbo-talk] T Gitlin & some other matters -- rank: 1000

On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:40 PM, bitch wrote: > At 12:08 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote: >> I have at times been tempted >> in that bundle of threads to suggest that some males have >> (unconsciously?) taken some delight in ganging up on an uppity woman >> while wrapping themselves in the robes of feminism. >> >> Carrol > > > Ooooo. missed that. Which uppity women? He's referring to Yoshie and her apologias for the Iranian regime, of course. Anyone who ob ...

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13680 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:33 PM, JBrown72073 at cs.com wrote: > Not noted in the obits I've seen so far she was co-author of the > Redstockings Manifesto, as well as naming the group with Shulamith > Firestone: > Bluestockings, the pejorative term for intellectual and socialist > women, with red for > social revolution. And she kept its spirit alive for decades, one of the many excellent things about her writing and agitation. Redstockings is in Liza's piece: <http://www.thena ...

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