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13576 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >> What the hell were we supposed to do? > > It's time for us to think about that, not for the Iraqis, for it is > too late for them, but for others who may suffer because of the US > government's future actions. Well no fucking kidding. I'm really amazed that you're spouting bromides like this to an audience that spends a lot of time thinking about just that sort of thing. Doug

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13577 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Steven L. Robinson wrote: > Go back 15 years to 1991, to the eve of the Gulf War and recall > many - perhaps most - of the liberal wing of the anti-war movement > took the view that "we should let sanctions work." I thought that was the liberal wing of the imperialist movement. Doug

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13578 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > I'd ask: why can you be so icily casual about the deaths caused by > terrorism in Iraq, since you -- like all adults who live in the USA > and other governments of the coalition of the willing, including me > and others who post here -- are indirectly responsible for the > existence of that terrorism, as if you had nothing to do with it? Nice to see your grandiosity extending even to your sense of responsibility and guilt. Do ...

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13579 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > I do know that we, including you and I, are indirectly responsible for > the deaths of the poor Shi'ite workers in the story, the > responsibility that you refuse to acknowledge. That's preposterous. You & I are responsible because we couldn't stop George Bush from invading Iraq? What the hell were we supposed to do? Doug

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13580 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > It's time for "the mass of antiwar protesters" to learn a lesson in > realism from the Iraq sanctions and war: the existence of a government > and citizens' welfare under it are not separate issues. It's the > government that is responsible for welfare of citizens who live under > it, from security to nutrition, sanitation to education, in any > country where a modern government exists. Destroy a government, an ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 19 10:21:28 PST 2006

13581 [lbo-talk] Uncle Miltie, he dead -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Charles Brown wrote: > > CB: Don't they talk about it quite a bit ? Isn't GDP denominated in > dollars > ? Prices are in terms of money , no ? Money is just a unit of account, a signifier for underlying "real" values. It introduces no mischief of its own. Doug

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13582 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > a reasonably disciplined civil war Yeah, history is full of examples of those! It may be a historical necessity, or inevitability, and is probably already underway, but how could you be so icily casual about recommending one? Doug

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13583 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > On 11/19/06, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> Can someone explain the strategic rationale behind this? >> >> > HILLA, Iraq (Reuters) - A suicide bomber killed 22 people south of >> > Baghdad on Sunday by offering poor Shi'ite workers day laboring >> > jobs and then detonating explosives packed inside his minibus as >> > the crowd gathered around it. >> >> Nih ...

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13584 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

Can someone explain the strategic rationale behind this? > HILLA, Iraq (Reuters) - A suicide bomber killed 22 people south of > Baghdad on Sunday by offering poor Shi'ite workers day laboring > jobs and then detonating explosives packed inside his minibus as > the crowd gathered around it. Nihilism? Sectarianism? Making Iraq ungovernable? I don't get it. Doug

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13585 [lbo-talk] first GI coffeehouse opens -- rank: 1000

New York Times - November 18, 2006 Cafe Opens to Serve a Mission to End the War By MICHELLE YORK On Veterans Day, John Hartlaub wandered into the newest cafe in Watertown, N.Y. It was sparsely furnished, with three Internet stations, a black sofa and an offering of hot or cold cider. A customer who actually wanted coffee would have to buy it a few doors away. Mr. Hartlaub stayed most of the afternoon anyway. He browsed a few dozen military books for sale, then pulled up a folding chair to w ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 19 08:27:47 PST 2006

13586 [lbo-talk] Uncle Miltie, he dead -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2006, at 11:35 PM, boddi satva wrote: > On 11/18/06, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> >> On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:20 PM, boddi satva wrote: >> >> > And what do we mean by "GDP" when so much of our stuff is produced >> > overseas? >> >> That appears as imports, a subtraction from GDP. > > And the stuff that the foregn workers buy with their wages? Depends on the origin of the goods. > The point is th ...

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13587 [lbo-talk] Money!!! (Cue Pink Floyd) -- rank: 1000

On Nov 19, 2006, at 3:53 AM, boddi satva wrote: > A find it pretty staggering that economists would have the nerve to > call money a "veil" or "insignificant". Yeah, well mainstream economists have a lot of nerve! I wrote at exhausting length about the role of money in economics in Wall Street, if you want the quotes and refs. Doug

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Date:	Sun Nov 19 08:02:04 PST 2006

13588 [lbo-talk] Mel to GOP: move right -- rank: 1000

[just like the Dems - when you lose, move right!] New RNC chair: Return to core beliefs By STEPHEN MAJORS, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 18, 5:59 PM ET ORLANDO, Fla. - The newly tapped Republican National Committee general chairman said Saturday that the GOP must return to core beliefs of smaller government, less spending, and fewer taxes to regain national leadership. The address, Sen. Mel Martinez's first since his new post was announced, came as Republicans are reeling nationally from t ...

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13589 [lbo-talk] Sisterhood Is Not Global (was Socialists Back Woman in Race to Lead France) -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > This international gap among women creates a problem for proponents of > transnational feminism, which is seldom noted in feminist literature: > women tend to lean to the Left in richer nations (the modern gender > gap of women leaning to the Left and men leaning to the Right more > pronounced among younger generations in rich nations as well), but > women tend to lean to the Right in poorer nations, including > postcomm ...

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13590 [lbo-talk] Uncle Miltie, he dead -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:20 PM, boddi satva wrote: > And what do we mean by "GDP" when so much of our stuff is produced > overseas? That appears as imports, a subtraction from GDP. > But the point is that the availability of money does change. The world > of the credit card and home loans approved over the phone and > asset-backed securities is a different world from the world of bank > notes and specie that Marx talked about. Yes, but don't ever underestimate the capaci ...

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