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13546 [lbo-talk] Tribune Headline -- rank: 1000

On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > OBAMA, STOP 'CODDLING' BAGHDAD > > Vote DP & watch the Iraq slaughter grow. Eh? He's accused of "coddling" Baghdad after calling for partial withdrawal of US forces. Weak, yes, but just how do you draw this conclusion from the evidence? Doug

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13547 [lbo-talk] Houston Janitors Victorious! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 21, 2006, at 1:48 AM, Steven L. Robinson wrote: > Nov. 20, 2006, 9:37PM > Houston janitors reach deal to end strike So, anyone know how this happened? Houston doesn't seem like the friendliest venue. Doug

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13548 [lbo-talk] Support -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 10:09 PM, tfast wrote: > ZzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZ.....Next! Travis, in his usual subtle style, has a point. This one's tired. Enough. Doug

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13549 [lbo-talk] Support -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: >> In the age of Islamism, I predict that there will be a wider and >> wider gulf between those who >> live in the OECD nations and those who live in the Middle East. >> -- >> Yoshie > > Yikes. Is this "Clash of Civilizations" through the looking glass? Kinda feels that way, doesn't it? And if the oppressed embrace it, it must be good, right? They don't stone too many women in Iran, or hang too man ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 20 18:47:43 PST 2006

13550 [lbo-talk] Juan Cole on Responsibility (was the Iraqi resistance at work) -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:58 PM, mike larkin wrote: > I'd say that America is more a liberal plutocracy than a liberal > democracy, but, still, it's not a dictatorship, so we had better > assume our shares of responsibility. Our refusal to assume them only > contribute to the "it's not our fault" meme, which goes hand in hand > with the racist "it's the Iraqis' fault" meme, dominant in American > culture. > -- > Yoshie > > > > He's wrong and yo ...

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13551 [lbo-talk] Uncle Miltie, he dead -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Mike Ballard wrote: > Cheers Doug! Am I right in assuming that the GDP measures goods > and services which have been sold, which are found to be use values > within the context of capitalist class domination Yup. Goods that are made but not sold are classed as inventory investment. > e.g. the $8 billion a month being spent on the occupation of Iraq? Most of it, yeah.

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13552 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Well, we then must ask: who gave a chance to those who blow up > helpless civilians? We, among others, have. Juan Cole is decent > enough to acknowledge that responsibility. Eh? Where did Cole acknowledge his own deep and crushing personal responsibility? > > On 11/20/06, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> Juan Cole reports a motive for the bombing of the day laborers: >> >> > Al-Hayat ...

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13553 [lbo-talk] the day laborers -- rank: 1000

Juan Cole reports a motive for the bombing of the day laborers: > Al-Hayat says that a Sunni Arab guerrilla cell claimed that it > carried out the Hilla bombing in revenge for the kidnapping last > Tuesday of Sunni employees from the ministry of higher education. It defies comment, really. Except to say I feel really guilty that I caused this. Doug

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13554 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > Yoshie wrote: > >> Colonialists and imperialists have employed native forces to keep >> natives under control throughout history > > duh Nice alternation of the obvious and the provocative she's got going, don't you think? >> Whether resisters expand their targets from native soldiers.....to >> native civilians..... who work for them and how much depend on the >> political programs of the resisters &g ...

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13555 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 3:50 PM, tfast wrote: > Hit the streets and force them to choose between authoritarian > reaction at > home or withdrawal from foreign lands. The question is do you have > the > bodies and discipline to do this? No we don't. Of course. Maybe I'm wrong. In that case, Yoshie's welcome to go first, just to test the waters. Doug

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13556 [lbo-talk] Rupert invokes his safeword -- rank: 1000

Breaking News Bulletin: News Corp. abandons O.J. Simpson book and TV program http://marketwatch.com/r.asp?g=D7173042E3044D3CB9D7B5A27E2F1AE1&d=bnb

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13557 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > Are you seriously suggesting that making a "demand" would have made > a bit of difference? Where does one go with such a demand? The Internets, of course. If we'd just blogged & listserved more intensely, Iraqi lions would be lying down with Iraqi lambs. It's funny reading this line emerging from Yoshie, who just the other month was denouncing Joanne Landy for perpetrating "resolutionary socialism." Cheney sai ...

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13558 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > Carroll wrote: > > > >> Read Bernard Fall, war correspondent who had been part of the French >> Resistance, who points out that the French resistance killed far more >> French citizens than it killed Germans. > > > What does "the French resistance killed far more French citizens > than it killed Germans" mean exactly? Good question. Which "French citizens"? The unemployed & desp ...

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13559 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > The only difference is that leftists like Doug blame Iraqis, Can't you fucking read? I said none of this would be happening had the US not invaded Iraq. Doug

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13560 [lbo-talk] the Iraqi resistance at work -- rank: 1000

On Nov 20, 2006, at 1:11 PM, ravi wrote: > While I have nothing to say about your (DH) internal mental states, I > think Yoshie is spot on about responsibility and the collective _us_ > avoiding, ignoring, denying or downplaying it. I opposed the invasion of Iraq. I marched against it, wrote against it, talked against it. The same can be said for almost everyone on this list. How the fuck am I responsible for it? By continuing to live in the USA? It's the worst sort of activistism th ...

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