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1351 [lbo-talk] Occupy Oakland's imminent implosion and the wider effects -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > That is an excellent question! And the answer, in both cases, remains to be > seen. I don't think it's my place to defend either the breaking of a window > or the occupation of a park - those who are doing that stuff today can > choose whether to justify themselves publicly or not - but if I were forced > to register a defense, I might say that each opens up a new space for > political debate that otherwise simply wouldn't exis ...

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1352 [lbo-talk] Occupy Oakland's imminent implosion and the wider effects -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > At least circa 2000, we most certainly did nothing "solely to create > photo opps." In fact, the more memorable things occurred when their were no > cameras to be seen. The goal of breaking a window (to pick a particular > mode of action fetishized by both sides of this debate), like occupying a > park, was direct action - reclaiming power without mediation - not > delegating authority to the appointed sentinels of th ...

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1353 [lbo-talk] Obama and Tea Party will be the winners -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Nicholas Roberts wrote: > its really weird, they've been soaking in the norms of reactionary society > so long, even their radical actions operate within the framework. In some > ways its more like left fasciscm Either that, or politics as pure self-expression. Doug

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1354 [lbo-talk] credit union data -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2011, at 5:43 PM, from_alamut at yahoo.com wrote: > What do credit unions do if they have more capital than it can loan to its community? As I said before, buy Treasury bonds or GNMAs. By the way, what is "community"? Don't we believe in sharing? Doug

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1355 [lbo-talk] On vandalism and violence -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:36 PM, from_alamut at yahoo.com wrote: > Non-violence is a tactic that usually is successful only when supported by accompanied violent acts. Ghandhi did not win independence just by non-violence, but was supported by a wave of bombings and assassinations (not that I am advocating these far from it). The Civil rights movements were accompanied with urban rioting. You cant separate the two or you'll loose. Black blocs cannot operate alone and non-violence is impotent witho ...

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1356 [lbo-talk] credit union data -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Miles Jackson wrote: > I always use the credit union. Better rates, and they never jerk me around. That's a fine argument in their favor. They're not politically transformative, though. Doug

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1357 [lbo-talk] credit union data -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: >>> why are the CUs just holding onto the money? >> >> Because they have no place "in the community" to invest >> the money safely and profitably. > > Rubbish. At the very least they could profitably undercut "big banks" for refis ... Evidently the CUs don't see it the way you do. Did you notice this passage from The New Republic piece I posted earlier? > Indeed, a little more than a week ago ...

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1358 [lbo-talk] credit union data -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2011, at 2:35 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > I doubt they're just holding on to the money. They make car loans and house loans, but people's willingness/ability to borrow is limited by how leveraged they already are and by the employment situation. If nobody is applying for a loan and if you are forbidden by law to speculate (a good thing), what can you do but hold on to the money? By "hold onto the money," though there are no details in the call reports, I'm guessing ...

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1359 [lbo-talk] credit union data -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Miles Jackson wrote: > I will be the first to admit I'm naive about finance stuff, but why are the CUs just holding onto the money? Why not provide more attractive auto/home/small business loan terms and get the money out in the community where it will do some good? Sorry if I sound like George Bailey, but doesn't it defeat the purpose of credit unions if they just hold onto the money? Because they have no place "in the community" to invest the money sa ...

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1360 [lbo-talk] credit union data (fwd) -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Michael Pollak wrote: > I've been thinking of your article and Garson's book a lot as this thing has picked up. Question: is it possible that, while this move your money campaign will have zero effect on the capitalist character of investment, that it might still exert useful pressure through stigmatization? http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/97033/occupy-wall-street-bank-transfer-day How Bank Transfer Day Will Help the Banks It s Trying to Hurt Simon van Zuylen ...

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1361 [lbo-talk] credit union data -- rank: 1000

Re: credit unions, here's the federal data page: http://www.ncua.gov/DataApps/Pages/CRSum.aspx A quick look at the latest call report suggests that CUs already have more money than they know what to do with. Their loans portfolios have been shrinking, and their cash and investments have been growing. If they get an influx of money, that will probably intensify the trend.

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1362 [lbo-talk] Bank anecdote -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:32 AM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > I wonder where one might find stats about the flow of accts from the major banks to CUs or local banks. Federal Reserve, FDIC.

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1363 [lbo-talk] advances in survey research -- rank: 1000

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1364 [lbo-talk] OWS: crackdown imminent? -- rank: 1000

On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:33 PM, c b wrote: > they picked Wall Street Yeah, that really matters. The symbol of the owning class, even if most of the big names have moved uptown. Doug

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1365 [lbo-talk] OWS: crackdown imminent? -- rank: 1000

On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > But I dunno. They are still pretty wonderful, however they end (or don't > end). Tremendous. Oakland, man. It'd be nice to have the Occupy sites in something of a competition to see who can be the most awesome. Doug

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