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13456 [lbo-talk] The ***** Syndrome -- rank: 1000

On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Ted Winslow wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: > >> it's a bad idea to treat people you disagree with as pathologies > > For some purposes, this isn't true, is it? It isn't, but in this case - someone trying to maintain a reasonably civilized level of discourse on a listserv - it is. People who can't talk reasonably with other people probably shouldn't talk. Doug

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13457 [lbo-talk] Beveridge on The Idle Rich -- rank: 1000

<http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/demographics/20061130/5/2047> The Idle Rich by Andrew Beveridge Forgive New Yorkers for envying their fellow citizens; it's hard to avoid. Librarians read recently in the New York Times that their bosses at the New York Public Library each make hundreds of thousands of dollars <http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/nyregion/19library.html? ex21592400&en= d292bfe7b4ea7776&eiP90&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss> a year. Teachers read in ...

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13458 [lbo-talk] Re: A Day When Mahdi Army Showed Its Other Side -- rank: 1000

On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Jim Straub wrote: > And to be honest, I'd rather debate the why's and why not's of > political engagement with conservative religious people in the > United States rather than the middle east, because our attitude to > those of iraq is irrelevant to actual events, whereas whether or > not we can construct a mass left in this here country of zealots is > the only way we can ever do our own part to tearing down the empire > from the inside. But ...

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13459 [lbo-talk] Re: A Day When Mahdi Army Showed Its Other Side -- rank: 1000

On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Jim Straub wrote: > The aspect of this I notice right off the bat is how Doug et al's > "god they're all horrible" attitude, while consistent, has the air > of fiddling and shrugging while around the world a lot of people > are fighting and dying in some very serious battles that eventually > will be won or lost for better or worse. Not exactly. I've said more times than I can count that it's good that Hezbollah kicked Israel out of Lebanon ...

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13460 [lbo-talk] The ***** Syndrome -- rank: 1000

"Open season" is overdoing it, but it's a bad idea to treat people you disagree with as pathologies, and it adds to the badness to put it in the subject heading. So let's drop that one. Doug On Nov 30, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Marvin Gandall wrote: > I third the motion... > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Brown" > <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> > To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:15 AM > Subject: [lbo ...

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13461 [lbo-talk] our betters -- rank: 1000

<http://www.socialiterank.com/?p=638> Dylan Wants to be a Candy Queen of the World Dylan Lauren is a sweet girl with even sweeter tooth and often ridiculously unfortunate fashion sense. She's however a respected entrepreneur who patiently fulfills her press obligations to promote her burgeoning candy empire. This current chat is actually a great one brought to you exclusively by LX.TV, a comprehensive website targeted towards young snobs and those wish to become them. We truly love t ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 29 19:34:30 PST 2006

13462 [lbo-talk] political crucifixion -- rank: 1000

[amazing pix at the site] <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6158229.stm> Paraguay man crucified in public Protesters in Paraguay have staged a public crucifixion calling for a jailed former army general to be set free. Mr Velazquez called on the court to review Gen Oviedo's 10-year jail sentence for plotting a 1996 coup. Gen Oviedo remains popular in parts of Paraguay, with supporters saying his sentence was politically motivated. He was convicted by a military tribunal in 1998 of pl ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 29 18:59:27 PST 2006

13463 [lbo-talk] LBO 2008 Dem POTUS poll -- rank: 1000

On Nov 29, 2006, at 4:55 PM, ravi wrote: > So, what is the collective opinion on a McCain/Leiberman ticket for > 2008? I'd rather drill holes in their heads. Doug

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13464 [lbo-talk] LBO 2008 Dem POTUS poll -- rank: 1000

On Nov 29, 2006, at 4:45 PM, ravi wrote: > No, it hasn't ended (though the page makes it look that way, but in > reality it just shows who would win, if any, if voting ended now). > Voting ends Dec 1. Currently there are 81 ballots, and hole > drilling has > a commanding lead. Yay. And I only voted once. This site doesn't log IP numbers as a check on multiple voting, does it? The site I've used for lbo-talk polls does that. Doug

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13465 [lbo-talk] more unraveling -- rank: 1000

Bush, Maliki in Amman for talks, dinner shelved By Caren Bohan and Suleiman al-Khalidi 2 hours, 16 minutes ago AMMAN (Reuters) - President Bush arrived in Jordan on Wednesday for crisis talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki but a dinner involving the two leaders was canceled at the last moment. A U.S. official denied the cancellation was a snub by Maliki in response to a New York Times report that carried a leaked White House report criticizing the Iraqi leader. "It was going t ...

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13466 [lbo-talk] Nicaraguans oppose abortion ban -- rank: 1000

On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: [some annoying shit] For my own mental health, I'm going to ignore your provocations from here on. Enjoy! Doug

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13467 [lbo-talk] Iran's "Liberation Theology" (???), Re-Defeat for the Left, and Islamic Economics -- rank: 1000

On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:21 PM, boddi satva wrote: > Those who are putting forth the idea that somehow leftists should > *support* Iran had better come clean, because frankly some right-wing > website is going to find writings here about this tendency and beat > the Left to death with it. Seriously, this kind of talk about Iran is > EXACTLY what the Anne Coulters of the world are dying to read in > support of their insane contention that Islamists and Leftists are > somehow lin ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 29 12:33:23 PST 2006

13468 [lbo-talk] Nicaraguans oppose abortion ban -- rank: 1000

[In her apologetics for Iran, Yoshie has often pointed to the new law banning abortion in Nicaragua, as evidence that this is what the masses want, and this is what leftist governments often do. Apparently it is not what Nicaraguans want, however. And they seem fed up with the church's influence on politics, too.] GREENBERG QUINLAN ROSNER Research [...] Also in Nicaragua, yesterday s Washington Post highlighted efforts by abortion rights advocates to overturn a new law banning abortion. A ...

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13469 [lbo-talk] Islamophobia -- rank: 1000

On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Michael Pugliese wrote: > But does Islamophobia really exist? Well yeah, in some sense. Someone said to me a few years ago, "It [Islam] is really an awful religion," as if the others were so great. The restriction on headscarves in France is motivated by bigotry. When several Moslems were thrown off an airplane in the US last week because they were acting in a mysterious or allegedly threatening manner (i.e., praying), that was motivated by bigotry ...

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13470 [lbo-talk] Islamophobia -- rank: 1000

On Nov 29, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Isn't that because of your profound Islamophobia, common among > leftists in the West? By the way, this further convinces me that you've begun to embarrass yourself, having painted yourself into a corner with your preposterous defenses of the Iranian regime, but since you're too arrogant ever to admit you're wrong, you've chosen this sort of argument-by-insult instead. Doug

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