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1276 [lbo-talk] A Note on the Middle 75% -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Max Sawicky wrote: > Sound good? As something that will stir the masses to action, it sounds > absurd. I meant sounds good to Carrol Cox, because to him, the most righteous position is always the best, not the one that could actually move people to action. Doug

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1277 [lbo-talk] A Note on the Middle 75% -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:16 PM, SA wrote: > Today, there will not be 3.4 million Americans rallying to the cause of Abolish the Prisons. Under the best circumstances, the number of people struggling to end the outrage of convicted murderers going to prison will never reach even 1% of that number. Speaking of which, I finally got Angela Davis' prisons book and paged through it. Most of it is pretty unremarkable stuff to anyone familiar with the topic. Maybe it's news to someone who's new to radic ...

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1278 [lbo-talk] Very good sentences -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Max Sawicky wrote: > Sante also has a big essay on the Mekons, for whom he has much praise, > though about the release of their hit record 'The Mekons Rock 'n' Roll' > there is this: > > "It entered heavy rotation on all broadcast media. The band got rich and > fat and loathsome. It was hard to remember them as young rebel poets from > Leeds considering the gaseous VIP-lounge hairballs they had become." Wow, that's just weird. I wonder ...

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1279 [lbo-talk] A Note on the Middle 75% -- rank: 1000

On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > For example, there are few better > slogans with which to reach those of the 75% (who can be reached) than > Abolish the Prison System. That's an extremely curious point of view. Do you have some evidence for this, or does it just sound good? Doug

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1280 [lbo-talk] Occupy as Ritual Suicide Cult -- rank: 1000

On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:46 PM, SA wrote: > Today looks like an enormous success. No kidding. It was exhilarating. Except for the fucking cops, who are just way too plentiful. Doug

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1281 [lbo-talk] oddities -- rank: 1000

On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:08 AM, SA wrote: > Exhibit A, the mind-numbing Corey Robin critique. Corey is surely critiquable, but this one reminded me of interminable grad school seminars filled with people who liked to hear themselves talk. To wax Bordieu-ian for a moment, there's also some positioning within the field of political production. That, and some personality quirks. Doug

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Date:	Thu Nov 17 06:15:01 PST 2011

1282 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:00 PM, SA wrote: > On 11/16/2011 10:42 AM, Eric Beck wrote: > >> Robin singles out anarchists as failing to understand that capital is the primary repressive agent in daily life, but anarchists are the ones who started occupying the seat (symbolically, at least) of private power > > Except the idea originally came from Adbusters. And then it was taken up by New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts, a socialist-ish student-labor group. And then anarchists got involv ...

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1283 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Tomorrow We March (Come March With Us) -- rank: 1000

Dear Friends, Tomorrow, November 17, we march! In anticipation of tomorrow s day of action a date chosen to mark the two month anniversary of the Occupy Movement we want to find ways to meet up all through the day, so we can enjoy ourselves and know where to go. Please share this message with others. It s a great, non-violent, important day to show up and show support of Occupy Wall Street s campaign against abuses of power and wealth. If nothing else, come to Foley Square (Duane and Centre St) ...

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1284 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin wonders... -- rank: 1000

[Corey writes...] I've been kind of following a bit the debate on your lbo list re my article and the larger questions that come out of it. One thing keeps coming up that I wanted to ask you about: the anarchists -- and they all say this -- insist that capital and its various powers could not exist without the state. And I get, and agree, with the basic descriptive/analytical point. But there seems to an implication they draw from this that I don't get. And that is: If the state did not exist, ...

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1285 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:14 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > awww. no frownie. Think how funny it all is. Watching the jab jab jab > around the boxing ring here has turned up this: > > corey robin claims in his posts that anarchists and libertarians just > don't get something. and, apparently that something is: that its > revolutionary to protest at wall st. If only everyone else could be as smart as you, what a world this would be.

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1286 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:56 AM, // ravi wrote: > On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: >> On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:41 AM, c b wrote: >> >>> This is , in a way, the theoretical reason that the shift to Wall >>> Street from Washington as a symbolic demonstration location is >>> revolutionary in the protest form for Americans. >> >> Man, you hit the nail on the head there, Charles. Yes. >> > > I can never tell when you guys are ...

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1287 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:41 AM, c b wrote: > This is , in a way, the theoretical reason that the shift to Wall > Street from Washington as a symbolic demonstration location is > revolutionary in the protest form for Americans. Man, you hit the nail on the head there, Charles. Yes. Doug

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1288 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Bill Bartlett wrote: > Arguments about to what extent the capitalist class rule by political repression miss the point. The ruling class do not need political dictatorship, they rule via economic dictatorship. Their rule is no less totalitarian for that. "Most of the time you can rely on the IMF, but every now and then you have to send in the Marines." - Noam Chomsky to me, long ago

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Date:	Tue Nov 15 17:27:10 PST 2011

1289 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > the red flag, ha ha The rest deleted.

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1290 [lbo-talk] Corey Robin on AJE on Bluestocking panel -- rank: 1000

On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Eric Beck wrote: > Not sure why you take this so personally. I take it personally because Corey's a friend of mine and I think his work is very good. But more generally, this impulse to point fingers and say "hack!" or "sellout!" gets to be tiresome. I used to do it myself, but it got to be boring. Doug

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