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12661 [lbo-talk] Iraq poll: still divided on withdrawal deadline -- rank: 1000

ABC NEWS/WASHINGTON POST POLL: BUSH, IRAQ AND CONGRESS EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE AFTER 5 p.m. Monday, April 16, 2007 Half Now Foresee U.S. Loss in Iraq; Public Divided on Withdrawal Deadline A bare majority of Americans for the first time think the United States will lose the war in Iraq, and a new high two-thirds say it was not worth fighting. Yet the public divides on setting a deadline for withdrawal. That mix of sentiments unhappy with the war, unclear what to do about it is keeping G ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 14:25:28 PDT 2007

12662 [lbo-talk] (Fwd) Soren on the IMF's demise -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Patrick Bond wrote: > After the two South American countries, who happened to be the IMF s > largest borrowers, set the example, others followed. Serbia, > Indonesia, > Uruguay, and the Philippines made similar announcements. With the > addition of Indonesia to the list, three of the four largest > debtors to > the IMF had liberated themselves. The fourth, Turkey, is reportedly > considering taking the same step before the end of 2007. With al ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 14:09:54 PDT 2007

12663 [lbo-talk] Police brutality -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > I'm not anti-cop, but I think what Wojtek says about abuse of > authority being minimal and the work of a few bad apples is > bogus. A white guy simply has no experience of what it's like to be treated rudely by the cops. I've never been stopped and frisked in my 54 years on planet earth, and 27 in planet NYC. In 2006, the NYPD stopped and frisked over 500,000 people - 55% of them black, and 30% Hispanic. That's not "brutalit ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 14:01:30 PDT 2007

12664 [lbo-talk] Imus -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Louis Kontos wrote: > I don't see anybody on this list making the claim that police > brutality is a more serious problem than street crime -- or what you > call "thug brutality". Who/what are you responding to? Crime gets over 6,000 hits, more than 10 times as much as Woj's bogus "police brutality" search. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 13:54:25 PDT 2007

12665 [lbo-talk] Cheap point (was: Imus -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > I certainly agree that it was a cheap shot, but not any cheaper than > any of the 432 shots on the police brutality posted to this list. Did you look at the hits? I see examples from Pakistan, China, Japan, Russia, and Iraq, as well as the U.S. And a lot of the hits, maybe a majority, are for non-contiguous occurrences - e.g., the words "police" and "brutality" in the same post, but not right next to each othe ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 13:53:10 PDT 2007

12666 [lbo-talk] Evangelicals are the Jews of the left -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > How would that work, even conceptually? (By which I mean, how would > it be distinguishable from cooking the books?) I'm no statistician, > so this is an honest, if basic, question. It's standard statistics. I'm not enough of a math-head to go into detail, but I'm sure we've got someone here who could do it.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 13:34:14 PDT 2007

12667 [lbo-talk] Police brutality -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > Doug: > > I can't imagine anyone objecting to cops shooting a guy who'd killed > 21 people and would probably have killed some more. Could you > actually name someone who might? > > [WS:] I do not know most people on this list personally, so it is > hard to > tell, but judging from the internet vitriol I can think of a few - > Carrol > Cox, Louis Proyect (ok, he is an ex member,) Travis Fast, Yoshie > Fur ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 13:07:14 PDT 2007

12668 [lbo-talk] Kenny G blows Beijing fans away -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:17 PM, uvj at vsnl.com wrote: > Xinhua > http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/ > > Kenny G blows Beijing fans away > http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-04/02/content_5922924.htm Is your point in posting this to prove that bad music has a global appeal? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 12:35:03 PDT 2007

12669 [lbo-talk] Evangelicals are the Jews of the left -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > On 4/16/07, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >> Maybe not, but tendencies are rarely 100% of anything. Self- >> identification may matter - do the United Methodists, for example, >> identify as Methodist or evangelical? > > Primarily as Methodists, but one could ask the same question about > members of the Assemblies of God or the Southern Baptist Convention > with similar results. The Cath ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 12:31:21 PDT 2007

12670 [lbo-talk] Police brutality -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > Pol Pot. He could have been a > contributor to this list during his student days in Paris, posting > anti-imperialist tirades and articles extolling third world populist > movements, which would have been very well received by many other > subscribers. According to Slavoj Zizek: "Prior to becoming a revolutionary, Pol Pot was a professor at a French lycée in Phnom Penh, known for his subtle readings of Rimbaud and Mal ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 12:29:25 PDT 2007

12671 [lbo-talk] Police brutality -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/ > virginia_tech_shooting_49 > > The cops shoot the poor guy without first reading him his Miranda > rights. > Outrage! I hope that there will be a protest against this hideous > act of > police brutality. I can't imagine anyone objecting to cops shooting a guy who'd killed 21 people and would probably have killed some more. Could you actually name someone who might? ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 11:53:00 PDT 2007

12672 [lbo-talk] Evangelicals are the Jews of the left -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Joseph Catron wrote: > But that doesn't really address the Evangelical Lutheran Church in > America or other denominations that are culturally mainline, > politically moderate, and theologically evangelical, like the United > Methodist Church, which resulted from a merger between the Methodist > Church and the Evangelical United Brethren. Maybe not, but tendencies are rarely 100% of anything. Self- identification may matter - do the United Methodists, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 08:46:00 PDT 2007

12673 [lbo-talk] 300,000 rally against Turkish government -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Maybe it's a good idea to look into who was behind the demo before > getting too excited about it. Not everyone can be as knowledgeable and resourceful as you, so of course we're all in your debt for filling in the gaps in our knowledge. But what was truly outrageous was your false and libelous assertion that many western leftists would prefer a military dictatorship to a democracy if it repressed Islam. When pressed for some evid ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 06:48:54 PDT 2007

12674 [lbo-talk] firing Imus: the demographics -- rank: 1000

ABC NEWS/WASHINGTON POST POLL: DON IMUS EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE AFTER 7 a.m. Monday, April 16, 2007 A Division on Imus With a Vast Racial Gap Americans divide on whether it was right to fire radio personality Don Imus for his controversial remark about a women's college basketball team, with a vast gap between blacks and whites on the issue. Overall, 51 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say it was right for Imus to have lost his job over the comment; 45 percent say he should have k ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Apr 16 05:58:18 PDT 2007

12675 [lbo-talk] Evangeicals are the Jews of the left -- rank: 1000

On Apr 16, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Joseph Catron wrote: > A conversation with a friend and political comrade the other evening > reminded me of a past exchange on this list: > > HER: I think most evangelicals hate brown people. > ME: Excuse me? Just who the bloody hell do you think attends the huge > evangelical church around the corner in our overwhelmingly Hispanic > neighborhood? > HER: Well, those aren't really the people I mean when I say > "evangelicals." > ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 16 05:53:19 PDT 2007