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12556 [lbo-talk] Hijacking (was: Patrick Bond on climate change strategy) -- rank: 1000

On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: > Let me remind you that this thread started with hijacking the issue of > climate change for attacks on "northern elites" and kindred demons > erected > by populist demagogues in developing countries. Woj, about 75-80% of the stock of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere already came from you, me, and the rest of us in the handful of rich countries, and we're responsible for the majority of new flows of GHGs as well. ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 25 08:52:29 PDT 2007

12557 [lbo-talk] one blowhard memorializes another -- rank: 1000

On Apr 25, 2007, at 2:23 AM, andie nachgeborenen wrote: >> whether he was writing about >> basketball or >> Vietnam it carried an enormous amount of weight, > > Probably because he didn't have an editor. That's why > each of his books is larger than the Oxford English > Dictionary. I once saw Halberstam hailing a cab. Even that he did pompously. Every movement had to reflect his deep, profound gravitas. Doug

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Date:	Wed Apr 25 05:46:56 PDT 2007

12558 [lbo-talk] Patrick Bond on climate change strategy -- rank: 1000

On Apr 24, 2007, at 3:01 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > I would guess to a much greater market for electronic goods, of > which metals > would be a large component. That would be "would be *great* from the > standpoint of public health, gender equity, economic development > and other > merit goods." James, do you still think that climate change isn't really a problem? Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 12:18:06 PDT 2007

12559 [lbo-talk] Patrick Bond on climate change strategy -- rank: 1000

On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Patrick Bond wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: >> But what about the rest of the economy? Metals have their uses beyond >> direct job creation. > > Sure, but you'd agree - if you *do* think job one is avoiding climate > catastrophe - that an enormous amount of waste (especially in aluminum > and steel consumption) can be chopped out of a modern economy by > rationing these energy-intensive ingredients, no? Of course, that's the point of raisi ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 12:02:40 PDT 2007

12560 [lbo-talk] Patrick Bond on climate change strategy -- rank: 1000

On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Patrick Bond wrote: > cut off the big wasteful corporate users (they are so > capital intensive that each smelter has fewer than 800 direct jobs) But what about the rest of the economy? Metals have their uses beyond direct job creation. Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 11:26:08 PDT 2007

12561 [lbo-talk] Armenians -- rank: 1000

Someone wrote this offlist in response to Yoshie's comments about the Armenian genocide: "To blame 'secular nationalism' for the 1915 genocide is insane. It was WWI and the clash between Turkey and Russia, two decaying empires, that caused the slaughter of the Armenians. By analogy, the Hutus were Catholics. Would we blame Catholicism for the genocide in Rwanda?"

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 10:06:36 PDT 2007

12562 [lbo-talk] one blowhard memorializes another -- rank: 1000

<http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=518467> It s obvious that he [David Halberstam] was probably the greatest journalist of his generation. He had a core integrity that gave him credibility and power, whether he was writing about basketball or Vietnam it carried an enormous amount of weight, said Pulitzer Prize- winning journalist J. Anthony Lewis 48, a former Crimson managing editor. He was a sweet man loyal, kind, thoughtful. I just didn t know anybody who is a better rep ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 09:27:39 PDT 2007

12563 [lbo-talk] Ghazals of Ghalib (Re: The Last Mughal) -- rank: 1000

On Apr 24, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Today is a good day to remember that secular nationalism is worse for > minorities than Islam: > > <http://herodote.net/dossiers/evenement.php5?jour=19150424> > 24 avril 1915 > Le génocide arménien > > Le samedi 24 avril 1915, à Istamboul, capitale de l'empire ottoman, > 600 notables arméniens sont assassinés sur ordre du gouvernement. > C'est le début d'un génocide (*), le premier du XXe siècle. Il va &g ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 09:20:15 PDT 2007

12564 [lbo-talk] Wealth Distribution & Kinetic Theory -- rank: 1000

On Apr 24, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Jerry Monaco wrote: > Why should wealth distribution (in any society) follow this > thermodynamic model? Is it simply an "artifact" of how we have > constructed society? Surely it is not an "intended" artifact, but > simply a mathematical side effect. But why should the model work in > the first place for any given society? Is this a stupid question, or > an epistemological mistake on my part to even ask the question. I'm t ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 08:53:38 PDT 2007

12565 [lbo-talk] Ghazals of Ghalib (Re: The Last Mughal) -- rank: 1000

On Apr 24, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > How do people develop? Dialectically, or so suggest ghazals of > Ghalib, one of the witnesses to the Great Uprising. > > <http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ghalib/010/ > index_010.html?urdu> > > > > Golly, I sure am glad that Mac OS X comes with so many foreign language fonts! Doug

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 07:37:31 PDT 2007

12566 [lbo-talk] Rethinking Liberalism -- rank: 1000

On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Jim Straub wrote: > I think we just have to soldier along because its the right thing > to do. > > Can it really be this controversial to propose that the US left > hurts itself > by being a bubble, an enclave, unto itself? First sentence, yes, of course. But you seem to think that if we just relocate and talk differently (in the bubble, I'd say "pursue different locational and discursive strategies") then everything would change. But i ...

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12567 [lbo-talk] opinion in Moslem countries -- rank: 1000

PIPA has done a big poll in four predominantly Moslem countries. Headline findings: > Majorities Want US Forces Out of Islamic Countries > And Approve of Attacks on US Troops > > Large Majorities Agree With Many Goals of Al Qaeda > But Oppose Attacks on Civilians > > Most Support Enhancing Role of Islam in Their Society, > But Also Favor Globalization and Democracy Full reports at <http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/ home_page/346.php?nid=&id=&pnt ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 24 07:22:36 PDT 2007

12568 [lbo-talk] Rethinking Liberalism -- rank: 1000

On Apr 23, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote: > For Marxists and others on the far left, there really is no good > alternative: either huddle together in intellectual and activist > ghettoes > and hurl manifestoes into the void or mix in more mainstream > milieus and > progressively discover through practice that the mass of the > population is > simply unwilling - because it finds it unnecessary - to become > involved in > anything other than well-contained el ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 23 14:55:00 PDT 2007

12569 [lbo-talk] [DEBATE] : (Fwd) Doug Henwood on elite climate change strategy -- rank: 1000

On Apr 23, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Gar Lipow wrote: > There is a very simple way to make a carbon tax progressive - in > effect that is. I lifted Charlie Komanoff's idea of rebating part of the tax to poorer households through the income tax system. But I don't have a good idea of how to translate Patrick's "decommodifying" strategy - punitive tax for heavy users to fund lifeline services for poor - into something real. Doug

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Date:	Mon Apr 23 14:17:56 PDT 2007

12570 [lbo-talk] Doug Henwood on eliteclimate change strategy -- rank: 1000

On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > How about if we stop trying to design individual progressive taxes > (which we seem unable to do anyway)? > > We've got a nice big fat juicy one in the US: income taxes. Can it be > more progressive? Sure. But it's not bad today. And it's > something to > work for. So: just put the US carbon footprint on budget and divvy it > up. End of puzzle. Yeah, you've got a point. I'm thinking there should be some progressivi ...

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