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11731 [lbo-talk] The explanations were failures -- rank: 1000

On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:52 PM, ravi wrote: > If the same arguments are being repeated, then it is not just Charles > who is "repeating this like a tape loop" who needs to be "explained > to". No it's not just Charles. We're all just saying the same thing over & over, me included. I won't bring down the hammer yet, but I can feel the itch. Doug

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11732 [lbo-talk] Sex and Stuff -- rank: 1000

Joanna wrote: > As for the comments ridiculing "spontaneity" -- I am always amazed > by the complete contempt people have for the body. I don't get this at all. No one's ridiculing; people are disagreeing. I'm saying that what you think of as spontaneous and unscripted is almost certainly neither. All our ideas of love and lust are deeply embedded in our minds & bodies; the most spontaneous-seeming embrace is a recapitulation of embraces that have been performed a billion ...

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11733 [lbo-talk] More fun than a barrel of monkeys, uh bonobos -- rank: 1000

On Jan 11, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Charles Brown wrote: > As to criticism of BDSM, I think you two ignore the fact that there > is a big > problem of domestic violence against women in the world, certainly > in the > US. A big _left_ project is to get men to stop being "sadistic" toward > women. So, it might help if you explained in detail how BDSM is > actually > only superficially similar to or actually not at all like domestic > violence > against women. Char ...

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11734 [lbo-talk] Muqtedar Khan: "President Bush Has Practically Declared War on Shias" -- rank: 1000

On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > <http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1855_0_25_0_C> > To "Save Democracy", Bush's War Will Target Shias Too > With his speech last night, President Bush has all but declared war on > Shias. One can only hope he knows what he is getting us all into. Funny, earlier today on CNBC I heard their chief commentator, Bill Seidman, say that he suspected that the U.S. and Maliki would cut a deal with Moktada, in which th ...

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Date:	Thu Jan 11 11:46:34 PST 2007

11735 [lbo-talk] Bush plan goes over like lead balloon; many not sure it's worth a fight -- rank: 1000

ABC NEWS/WASHINGTON POST POLL: THE IRAQ ADDRESS 1/10/07 EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE AFTER 7 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 11, 2007 Six in 10 Oppose Troop Surge in Iraq; Most Doubt it'll Speed an End to War Americans broadly reject George W. Bush's plan for a surge of U.S. forces into Iraq, with substantial majorities dismissing his arguments that it'll end the war more quickly and increase the odds of victory, an ABC News/Washington Post poll finds. Indeed, rather than Bush bolstering public confidence, t ...

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11736 [lbo-talk] the Hagelian view -- rank: 1000

[the FT often describes him as "the thoughtful" Chuck Hagel - from The Note] ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf reports that Sen. Hagel reacted to President Bush's speech with a statement that is arguably more critical than any Democrat's statement. The Nebraska Republican uses some strident words, including "unwinnable swamp" and "wrongheaded" and "bog of Iraq," and "more American troops will make it worse."

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Date:	Thu Jan 11 08:20:35 PST 2007

11737 [lbo-talk] How Bush's speech went down in an Elko NV bar -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:40 PM, Jim Straub wrote: > If Bush has lost the Elko High Desert Inn's bar, I do believe, he > may have finally lost Honkie America. (White) America hates losers, and the Iraq war is a loser.

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Date:	Wed Jan 10 18:53:30 PST 2007

11738 [lbo-talk] dangerous books -- rank: 1000

[The books are by Joel Rosenberg: The Last Jihad and The Ezekiel Option. Rosenberg is a former Orthodox Jew turned fundie right-wing Christian.] <http://janellen.blogspot.com/2007/01/libraries-are-dangerous- places.html> Libraries are dangerous places Even in rural Montana. I stopped into the friendly little library in Joliet over lunch today. I often do on Tuesdays, when I'm there. "Friendly" and "little" are accurate descriptions. It's a smallish room in the commu ...

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Date:	Wed Jan 10 15:47:42 PST 2007

11739 [lbo-talk] Sex and Stuff -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:55 PM, joanna wrote: > Freedom means that anything can happen--depending on mood and > circumstance, as opposed to the requirement that something specific > needs to happen no matter what the mood or ciurcumstance. And why do you think it's any different with non-vanilla sex? People do all kinds of things. > I also find it, well, weird, that on a lefty list one faces > ridicule for asserting that love and/or sexual attraction are the > motive forces behin ...

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11740 [lbo-talk] Sex and Stuff -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Ted Winslow wrote: > You seem to use "scripting" in a sense that doesn't allow for a > distinction between this and, say, an obsessional set of routines > expressing psychopathology as in Taylorism (Jack Nicholson plays a > character in (if I remember rightly) Five Easy Pieces whose > routinized sex falls into the latter category i.e. in order to come > he requires a sex worker to follow a "script" to the letter). Not me, actuall ...

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11741 [lbo-talk] Sex and Stuff -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:32 PM, joanna wrote: > I mean fist whom you like when you like, but it's absurd to say > that eating when hungry is a script. Not eating, but how and what we eat is heavily scripted by culture, class, and personal history.

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11742 [lbo-talk] Class, Kink, Sex -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Chris Doss wrote: > My body > adores being worshipped What would the Buddha say? Doug

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11743 [lbo-talk] Sex and Stuff -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Isn't the reason why a majority of straight men who are into BDSM > enjoy humiliation rather than domination that, in the real world, > straight men are in the dominant position (relative to women and gay > men) and therefore they enjoy temporary reversal of reality in > fantasy? Quoting myself from Wall Street: a source in the gay S/m world [a top - ed] reports a Wall Streeter saying: "The more power I have the more I ...

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Date:	Wed Jan 10 09:14:35 PST 2007

11744 [lbo-talk] Sex and Stuff -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:54 AM, BklynMagus wrote: > I was merely pointing out that the dynamic of consent in bdsm is > far different from the dynamic of consent in the area of wage labor. Yeah. No consent to work = eventual residence on the sidewalk. No consent to BDSM or other sex = possible frustration, or if you're an ascetic, spiritual enlightenment. There are cases, of course, in which economically dependent women cannot consent freely to sex, but the kind of sex is immaterial to th ...

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11745 [lbo-talk] the latest skirmish in the sexpositivity wars -- rank: 1000

On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:12 AM, James Heartfield wrote: > Grimly serious stuff then, this transgressing of norms, and here > was me thinking that all sex is pretty comical It often is, esp if you're not participating.

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