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1171 [lbo-talk] think progress coops OWS for the dems! yay! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > Chairman Van Jones is a crafty one. He is really good at what he does. We've seen him on TV twice now - last night on the awful Ed Show, which is just rank Dem propaganda. But Jones can talk. No one ever asks him when he stopped believing that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, though maybe he still does. Doug

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Date:	Fri Oct 7 14:12:21 PDT 2011

1172 [lbo-talk] think progress coops OWS for the dems! yay! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > http://thinkprogress.org/tag/99-percent-movement > > this is shooting around the liberal/pwog EffBee-Yotchistan. One > person, who I see as the most lefty of all pwogs says that it makes a > lot more sense to him than the ill-defined OWS. Van Jones is all over this. Yuck.

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1173 [lbo-talk] Jobs -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:40 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > That bothers me. Beauty is not a problem. Aesthetic considerations are not necessarily superficial. Me too. There's so much ugly crap in the USA. I've got a hideous Verizon wireless phone sitting next to me. So much industrial design is junk. Cost-cutting almost guarantees ugliness. Doug

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1174 [lbo-talk] OWS Teach-In: Where to start? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > On Fri, 7 Oct 2011, Doug Henwood wrote: > >>> They probably think self-managed worker-owned cooperatives, no? Autonomia, autogestion, etc. -- international anarchism has always been big on "autos." >> >> For sure, and they've got a lot to recommend them. But how you scale those up, and get the units to relate to each other - not easy questions. > > No, absolutely. But I think that's their idea of a &q ...

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1175 [lbo-talk] OWS Teach-In: Where to start? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > They probably think self-managed worker-owned cooperatives, no? Autonomia, autogestion, etc. -- international anarchism has always been big on "autos." For sure, and they've got a lot to recommend them. But how you scale those up, and get the units to relate to each other - not easy questions. Doug

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1176 [lbo-talk] OWS Teach-In: Where to start? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:16 PM, c b wrote: > John Leslie Feier I was in a conversation with one of the people in > the Livestream chat room for Portland last night. I said that we > needed to end corporate personhood and this gentleman said, "If we end > the Fed, that will take care of corporate personhood." I said, "How?" > No response. There was no response to that because it doesn't make > sense. Yikes, this corporate personhood thing is ludicrous too. I may ...

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1177 [lbo-talk] OWS Teach-In: Where to start? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > I think perhaps most of those who are full believers are auto-didacts; that would describe Pound for example in reference to economic history. What was the appeal to Pound of that stuff? It does seem like a lot of these stories are closely related to anti-Semitism, which would fit in his case for sure. Doug

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1178 [lbo-talk] OWS Teach-In: Where to start? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > On 10/7/2011 9:23 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> I'm going to write something on this for my radio commentary later today, and I'll post the text when I do. > > The True Believers are perhaps beyond help. I don't know how to characterize those who don't hold this nonsense already but might be tempted by it. It's the "radical" sounding analysis that's floating around. Curious but naive people might find it appealing as lon ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 7 08:21:24 PDT 2011

1179 [lbo-talk] date -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Joel Schalit wrote: > Didn't Bush not know where it was in the '99 campaign? If I'm remembering right, Princess Diana's mother said of her: "Poor dear, thinks Afghanistan is a cheese." Doug

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1180 [lbo-talk] date -- rank: 1000

Happy 10th anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan. Worked out beautifully, didn't it? Doug

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1181 [lbo-talk] OWS Teach-In: Where to start? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:08 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > what is this obsession with the fed some of these folks have? could > someone give my lazy ass an executive summary? It fits perfectly with the conspiratorial mindset. It's a fairly opaque institution that does work for the big guys. But it's not their puppet - a friend who spent many years at the NY Fed once told me that within the institution, the thinking is that bankers come and go but they have to do the long-term thinking for the ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 7 07:23:29 PDT 2011

1182 [lbo-talk] Jobs -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > It does not take much > more resources to produce beautiful stuff than it takes to produce > crap. Yes and no. It takes a lot of skilled labor to produce a beautiful men's suit, and it shows. It's not just snob appeal. Not totally unrelated fact: the profit margin in fancy restaurants is considerably lower than that it fast food and casual joints. Good ingredients and skilled labor are expensive. The mass production and cheapening of everyt ...

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1183 [lbo-talk] Jobs -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > Same with fashion clothing - elegant but > bought mainly by snobs who can afford them. Sometimes you come off rather grim. Fashion can be beautiful. What's wrong with wearing beautiful clothes? Doug

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1184 [lbo-talk] Apple's Rotten Core -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > I wonder how much "charismatic leaders" like Jobs are > involved in running companies they "lead." Sometimes you should really look into things before sounding off.

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1185 [lbo-talk] Jobs -- rank: 1000

On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > As to Doug's question about millions of people being fooled by Apple > marketing gimmicks That was not my point at all. I started using computers in 1971 - Fortran on a DEC PDP-11 and APL on an IBM 360. I did some programming - nothing fancy, but I know how these things work. But I can't be bothered anymore. I like the fact that Apple's stuff is elegant and easy to use. Yeah, they're brilliant marketers, but they also know how to make something ...

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