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11506 [lbo-talk] Liberalism (Was Re: Nietzsche) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:22 PM, wrobert at uci.edu wrote: >> Last time I checked you called yourself a socialist. >> Lots of 20th century socialists believed in one-party >> dictatorship, cults of personality, mass murder, >> secret political police and torture of "enemies of the >> people," huge concentration camp systems, forced >> labor, guilt by association, preposterous paranoid >> charges and show trials, widespread censorship, and >> ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 15:49:04 PDT 2007

11507 [lbo-talk] Hipsterville -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:54 PM, chuck at mutualaid.org wrote: > I hate to reveal how I'm spending my afternoon, but TV Land is > currently > showing an episode of "The Munsters" from 1965 titled "Far Out > Munsters." > In the episode, a band which sounds like the Monkees takes over the > mansion and the Munster family relocates to a hotel. The band holds a > party which is attended by hipsters and beatniks. The family hates the > hotel and comes back to th ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 15:43:33 PDT 2007

11508 [lbo-talk] Hipsterville -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> >> Give it a try. The quote is from Horkheimer, not Don van Vliet. What >> do you think Horkheimer might have meant? It's not that hard, really. > > I really wouldn't know whete to start. I find the conformity vs > nonconformity debate one of the sillier things a silly decade (the > 1950s) engaged in. It's really not worth giving any time to. Yeah, that Horkheimer was such a hep cat, ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 15:42:41 PDT 2007

11509 [lbo-talk] Mitterand & the Rwandan slaughter -- rank: 1000

Independent (London) - July 3, 2007 Liberty, Equality, Butchery Mitterrand's role revealed in Rwandan genocide warning By Alex Duval Smith in Paris The former French president François Mitterrand supported the perpetrators of the 1994 Rwandan genocide despite clear warnings that mass killings of the Tutsi population were being orchestrated, according to declassified French documents. The publication of the documents in today's Le Monde for the first time confirms long-held suspicions against ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 12:22:57 PDT 2007

11510 [lbo-talk] Hipsterville -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Dennis Claxton wrote: >> >> There's another quote I first read on lbotalk, probably also posted >> by Doug, from Horkheimer that fits here: >> >>> Well-informed cynicism is only another mode of conformity > > Is this good or bad? I have never understood what people mean when > they > speak of "conformity," Give it a try. The quote is from Horkheimer, not Don van Vliet. What do you think Hor ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 11:56:54 PDT 2007

11511 [lbo-talk] Iran: The Proper Attitude! -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:07 PM, ravi wrote: > Also while you are at the > above site also check out the interview with Joel Kovel (on Israel/ > Zionism): I am usually very sceptical about the use of psycho- > theorising as a form of analysis or argument, but Kovel's use of it > was quite edifying. Joel's very good at that. His book White Racism, which did an excellent job of joining the psycho- and the -social, changed my life! And his too - shortly after it came out in 1972, a revi ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 10:41:22 PDT 2007

11512 [lbo-talk] Liberalism (Was Re: Nietzsche) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 12:28 PM, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > What's your alternative? Which of: > > competitive elections > universal suffrage > extensive civil and political liberties > democratic decisionmaking (as opposed to imposition of > someone's idea of the good life will-we-nil-we) You keep listing these as attributes of liberalism, but 19th century liberals weren't terribly interested in lots of them; they were all for economic liberalism, but opposed to it in the p ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 09:40:26 PDT 2007

11513 [lbo-talk] Iranian inflation -- rank: 1000

According to the Iranian central bank, the latest inflation figure for February was 17.6% for the year, and 1.5% for the month. A monthly rate of 1.5% compounds to 19.6%. <http://www.cbi.ir/page/3582.aspx>

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 08:58:48 PDT 2007

11514 [lbo-talk] Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela -- the Axis of Unity -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > No, not by the standard of the South. > > If you doubt it, look at, for instance, Iran's neighbor Pakistan, The Pakistani regime doesn't pretend to be populist or redistributionist or even democratic, nor does it have foreign cheerleaders claims such on their behalf. Subsidizing gasoline when you have little domestic refining capacity is a rather stupid economic strategy. Promising things you can't possibly deliver on - like chea ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 08:51:33 PDT 2007

11515 [lbo-talk] Hipsterville -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Blackmail wrote: > i don't > really get why folks hate hipsters so much. Like the piece said, "For hipsters, prevailing ideas and values are not necessarily oppressive, just stupid; not necessarily worthy of anger, just ridicule." For people who take politics seriously, that's annoying, no? Doug

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 08:06:42 PDT 2007

11516 [lbo-talk] Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela -- the Axis of Unity -- rank: 1000

On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:13 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Pillars of world arrogance shaky, president ...apparently that's not all that's shaky: Financial Times - June 30, 2007 'Pulse of Iran' sounds a warning for president By Najmeh Bozorgmehr in Tehran President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad says he likes to check Iran's economic pulse in his own neighbourhood in eastern Tehran. He once told MPs in response to criticisms about rising prices to go and buy their tomatoes from Narmak. And he is fond of m ...

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Date:	Tue Jul 3 06:02:13 PDT 2007

11517 [lbo-talk] good news! -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 18:42 -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> Today, bad news greatly outweighs the good. In the good column: "GM >> up on painful wage cuts." > > One is tempted to ask: In what sense is this "news"? My guess is that the Delphi deal made wage cuts at GM more likely - there was a shock to expectations, as they say. Doug

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Date:	Mon Jul 2 19:38:10 PDT 2007

11518 [lbo-talk] Growth -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:03 PM, Michael Pollak wrote: > Latly, calling up a bunch of pictures on Google image, I have to > say that > to me at least, Jolie with a tan and frizzy hair actually does look > kind > of like Marianne in several of them -- except for the part where > she's way > more beautiful. Which could possibly be why she enjoyed having her > play > her. It's easy to understand the temptation of having Jolie play you in the movie, no? Doug

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Date:	Mon Jul 2 19:35:12 PDT 2007

11519 [lbo-talk] Growth -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > This doesn't look as intractable as other problems, like the one > discussed here in Black Agenda Report: > > > http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php? > option=com_content&task=view&id=260&Itemid=33 > > >> The wife of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was >> murdered in Pakistan by Al-Quaida associates, is Black. That's one way to put it. Says Wikipedia: "Of Dutch-Jewish ...

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Date:	Mon Jul 2 18:59:57 PDT 2007

11520 [lbo-talk] Liberalism (Was Re: Nietzsche) -- rank: 1000

On Jul 2, 2007, at 7:43 PM, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > Liberalism has a lot of strands. The free speech > movements, the civil rights movements, in fact the > union movement itself -- deeply tied up with both and > with the extension of suffrage -- are liberal to the > core. But a lot of that stuff involved Reds. I doubt the liberals would have done it on their own. Doug

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