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1081 [lbo-talk] Jacobin debate up -- rank: 1000

On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Mike Beggs wrote: > n Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> >> On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Mike Beggs wrote: >> >>> Obscene gesture at 46:36! >> >> You mean my making the universal symbol of masturbation? > > Exactly, and richly deserved it was! My beloved thought that was rude of me. I couldn't help myself. Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 19 18:07:00 PDT 2011

1082 [lbo-talk] Jacobin debate up -- rank: 1000

On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:46 PM, dndlllio at aol.com wrote: > I was multi-tasking while watching the video, and by some contingent goof, the parts where Natasha L was speaking didn't catch my attention like the others, but, references to Foucault aside, wasn't she saying something similar to what Graeber wrote today in Naked Capitalism, and what's so bad about that?: > > "Above all, I am happy to work with anyone, whatever they call themselves, willing to work on anarchist principles w ...

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Mike Beggs wrote: > Obscene gesture at 46:36! You mean my making the universal symbol of masturbation?

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:39 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > As best I can tell, what Doug is objecting to is the idea that "a way > or life" is a sound approach to overthrowing capitalism. > > So, what he seems to be rejecting is the idea of a prefigurative > politics where you try, as best you can, to live as if you already had > the good society you hoped to build. Doug seems to reject this > approach as northing more than an ethics - an ineffective politics > and, ...

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:48 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Why is that happening. It doesn't just magically appear, it's not a > property of simply being y'all's wonderful selves. Or is it? What is > it that makes you all feel a sense that you would, to paraphrase, come > to each other's things... Because the moment feels full of possibility. Who knows how long that will last, but for now, I'm going with it. > I'd also love it if doug would answer my question about ethics v > poli ...

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:33 PM, SA wrote: > Well, I guess it's obvious, isn't it? It's OWS and related activities, and the mood it's created. I would be more interested in coming to his thing now than I would have been three months ago, just because I know that his thing is heavily involved with OWS. Sort of reminds me of the traditional marriage advice - couples who don't have some common project (a kid, a business, a band, a groupuscule) don't stay together. Alas, they didn't hold Kim & Th ...

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Ferenc Molnar wrote: > Chris Hedges recent remarks on OWS: There's something about his piety that really grates on me. Is it just me? Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 19 14:43:23 PDT 2011

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:12 PM, SA wrote: > Okay, then: show me the "sustained discussion" and debate we've been missing - where is it? Beyond intra-groupusule debate, or six guys in the park shooting the shit, or the non-debate in the GA? Lots of OWS people came up to us after this event and thanked us for having it because that kind of debate wasn't taking place at Zuccotti Park C'mon, S. You know, the people are always right, as is Pres Obama! Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 19 14:42:44 PDT 2011

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > Free CUNY vs. the Foucauldianfuckcult Let's make sure that she doesn't damage the prestige of either Foucault or fucking! Someone texted me from the audience: a bad flashback to 1993. Doug

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:50 PM, SA wrote: > On 10/19/2011 4:36 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > >> Nice slacks dewd. Nice slacks. > > Funny you say that, shag, I was thinking the same thing. Doug - those really are nice pants. What kind are they? Thanks. Hugo Boss. Shirt by Brooks. I felt like dressing bourgeois for the event. Doug

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:52 PM, christian bayes wrote: > Nice: Favorite line so far: People want a piece of the action, they don't > want a Foucauldian experience. I love Foucault. I kept wanting to ask, "What did Foucault do to deserve this?"

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:36 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Even hotter. Doug does that manly thing men do when they reach in > their pocket for money. LOL Funny, I was wearing my Hugo Boss fancy pants. I wouldn't have done that with my black jeans. Clothes make the man. Doug

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Date:	Wed Oct 19 13:46:10 PDT 2011

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:36 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Even hotter. Doug does that manly thing men do when they reach in > their pocket for money. LOL Ha. A man carries his bond with society in his pocket, as a German said.

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On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:34 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > o dear. i hadn't realized that i've been wishing a difficult time on > myhands. it's hard enough to get through the day after seeing seth on > facebook. hard for a girl not to swoon. Seth is a cutie, eh?

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Date:	Wed Oct 19 13:43:36 PDT 2011

1095 [lbo-talk] Jacobin debate up -- rank: 1000

Video of the great Jacobin debate on #OWS politics & strategy now up: bit.ly/pEYhr2

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