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10441 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Robert Wrubel wrote: > And why do we persist in calling this a "neocon" > policy, when the Democrats have also signed on to it? We've been through this before, and you never know, but I doubt the U.S. would have invaded Iraq had Gore been president. Sanctions would have continued, no doubt, but war seemed a fixation of a particular group around PNAC. Remember this? Signers' names sound familiar? Doug <http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclinto ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 10:31:33 PST 2007

10442 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Shane Taylor wrote: > When pressed, Greenspan argued that Saddam had to be > deposed before he could seize the Straits of Hormuz > and block oil shipments out of the Persian Gulf. His > scenario falls apart if Saddam was boxed in--the > reality. The fact that even evil dictators will sell > their oil doesn't square with his forecast, either. And how long would it take to clear such a blockade? That's one instance in which U.S. military action rea ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 08:54:03 PST 2007

10443 [lbo-talk] Rosenberg: Chavez and Oil Socialism vs. The Oil Curse -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2007, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: 7,000 words in three posts, or close to 20 book pages - much of it extended quotes from articles on the web. Volume isn't just about the number of posts. URLs and excerpts will do. Doug

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 08:51:50 PST 2007

10444 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2007, at 3:27 PM, farmelantj at juno.com wrote: > So Doug, I don't think that your position is really so different > from Carrol's. Tell Carrol, not me. > If Big Capital was really antiwar, they would be putting great > pressure on the political class to stop the war. As far as I am > aware, there have been no committees of "wise men" coming to the > White House to tell Bush to cool it on Iran. As I think I said before, I'm trying to figure out the origin ...

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10445 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: >> >> But what evidence is >> there that Wall Street and the Fortune 500 are lobbying for a cruise >> missile attack on Iran. > > > What evidence is there that Wall Street and the Fortune 500 are > lobbying > AGAINST a cruise missile attack on Iran? There is none. Who said there was? In fact, I said this in the sentence *just before the one you quoted*: > Don't get me wrong, I don't ...

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10446 [lbo-talk] terrorists luv Naomi Campbell! -- rank: 1000

[great pic of Naomi & Hugo at link] New York Daily News - November 5, 2007 <http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/r_m/index.html> Terrorists like Campbell's visit with Chavez Naomi Campbell's Halloween visit to Hugo Chavez may have garnered her some unwanted praise - from terrorists. The supermodel said, "I'm not here to be political" as she met with the left-wing Venezuelan president, though she reportedly said, "I hate Bush" when she was in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Abu N ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 06:45:48 PST 2007

10447 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 5, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > All capitalists individually might be hurt by $120 > oil, but their collective perception, filtered through all the ways in > which it gets filtered*, might define their interest (rightly or > wrongly) as more threatened by lack of military control of the mideast > than by their immediate or even long range economic interests. I know you're not big on agency, but how does this happen? Which capitalists, operating through what networ ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 06:27:21 PST 2007

10448 [lbo-talk] clarification -- rank: 1000

Ah, this explains it! Breaking News Bulletin: Rate cuts aim to lessen economic risks, not bail out Wall St., Fed's Mishkin says <http://marketwatch.com/r.asp?g=D70727724D094FA7A74F875BD49B7D88&d=bnb>

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 06:09:26 PST 2007

10449 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > What do you make of Greenspan's rather startling "war > for oil" trope? It's obviously true in some sense - who'd care about Iraq if it weren't floating on oil? But after that, I don't get what it means. Most sectors of U.S. capital like moderate oil prices, so the high price regime of the last couple of years isn't doing them much good. What does it mean to "control" Middle Eastern oil? As long as the U.S. has no ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 05:54:44 PST 2007

10450 [lbo-talk] is gay the new straight? -- rank: 1000

Los Angeles Times - November 5, 2007 <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe- rodriguez5nov05,0,6813671.column?coll=la-opinion-columnists> Gay? Who cares? As more homosexuals come out and join the mainstream, the gay identity becomes less distinctive. Last Tuesday, the New York Times ran a front-page story on the diminishing allure of gay enclaves in the United States. The next day, the San Francisco Chronicle published a Page 1 story explaining how same-sex couples in California ar ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 05:33:17 PST 2007

10451 [lbo-talk] 'American kids, dumber than dirt' -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2007, at 10:39 PM, ravi wrote: > But what is the real difference? In reality, Kerry and Bush belong to > the same class. Gee, they do? The point is the Bush people were marketing to a particular deeply embedded feature of American political culture. Of course > Class consciousness would make this silly attempted > differentiation (on the basis of class) laughable. I don't know why you seem to think I think otherwise. Doug

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10452 [lbo-talk] Tactless question -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2007, at 9:53 PM, bitch at pulpculture.org wrote: > At 09:21 PM 11/4/2007, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> On Nov 4, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Michael Smith wrote: >> >>> Okay, who's Katha Pollitt's philandering ex-boyfriend, the >>> guy she calls the "last Marxist"? >> >> Paul Mattick Jr. > > another one... Who are the, for lack of a better word, American > royalty of > the marxist/marxish left? Is there such a thing? Are there gr ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 4 19:06:11 PST 2007

10453 [lbo-talk] botox king's bash -- rank: 1000

New York Post [Page Six] - November 3, 2007 Botox Bash Was Wrinkle-free THERE wasn't a wrinkle in the house when an army of smooth-skinned celebs packed a San Francisco club to celebrate the "annual 29th birthday" of Dr. Seth Matarasso, the West Coast's undisputed "Botox King." Robin Williams, Vanessa Getty, Willie Brown and Rita Moreno were among 250 guests who crowded club Vessel, where vodka shots were served in syringes. Moreno crooned "Happy Birthday" in a ...

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10454 [lbo-talk] get ready for Pres Clinton - again! -- rank: 1000

On Nov 4, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Henrique Antoun wrote: > But to me the question is how much the Imperial powers of > presidency are > submited to democratic devices. If he can do the war against Iran > before the > elections, using the imperial powers of presidency, what will > remain of > democratic strutcture? How much the capital power can control the > Imperial > power today in the USA politics? I dunno, it seems to me the war on Iraq and the threat of war with Iran ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 4 18:57:06 PST 2007

10455 [lbo-talk] a nation of discontents -- rank: 1000

From: "Langer, Gary" <Gary.Langer at abc.com> Date: November 2, 2007 7:07:33 PM EDT Subject: ABC/Post Poll: Election Year-Out A Year Before 08 Election, Public s Theme is Discontent Decade-high discontent marks the political landscape a year before the 2008 election, with economic worries compounding the public s war weariness, deep dissatisfaction with the sitting president and growing disapproval of the Democratic-led Congress. Seventy-four percent of Americans in the lat ...

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