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1021 [lbo-talk] madness in Oakland -- rank: 1000

[posted by Andrej Grubacic to Debate] Insane amount of violence in Oakland tonight. Much worse then during Oscar Grant riots. Many are injured. Broken limbs, hands, fingers. Oakland was a war zone. Police attacked women in wheelchairs, children. The protesters have been gassed at least 4 times this evening, and they are using sonic warfare as well as rubber bullets on unarmed civilians now. Thousands of people continuously tried to retake the plaza and regroup but tear gas, concussion grenades, ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Oct 26 07:06:25 PDT 2011

1022 [lbo-talk] OWS Demands working group: jobs for all! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > I wouldn't lean too heavily on my own experience - anecdotal impressions are > generally crap - but I'm currently living in a territory with a 45.2% > unemployment rate, and I simply don't see your claims at work here. But > prove that the effects of unemployment you describe are inherent to the > situation itself, rather than its cultural context, and I'll admit you were > right. Usually people cite the 45% unemployment rate ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 25 14:27:28 PDT 2011

1023 [lbo-talk] Lemisch: The N-Y Historical Society Sinks to New Low w Black-Tie Gala for Henry Kissinger -- rank: 1000

On Oct 25, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Michael Smith wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:14:16 -0400 > Joanne Landy <joanne.landy at igc.org> wrote: > >> the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, a successful >> front group with an advisory board which includes some liberals (and even >> one famous leftist) > > This is fun. Name some names! Who's the famous leftist? Thanks to this cool thing called Google, I found this: http://www.gilderlehrman.org/institute/adv ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 25 08:44:04 PDT 2011

1024 [lbo-talk] end of OWS? -- rank: 1000

> > On Oct 25, 2011, at 11:17 AM, SA wrote: > > >> Unfortunately there is one individual who is NOT a drummer but who claims >> to speak for the drummers who has been a deeply disruptive force, attacking >> the drumming rep during the GA and derailing his proposal, disrupting the >> community board meeting, as well as the OWS community relations meeting. She >> has also created strife and divisions within the POC caucus, calling many >> members who ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 25 08:25:15 PDT 2011

1025 [lbo-talk] OWS etc: CIA funded manipulation of useful idiots! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:59 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > Seriously? There are people insisting that all of it, from Iran to > Egypt to CA to NY to Orlando to Bethleham, PA is CIA funded > manipulation of useful idiots in order to further fragment and > factionalize? > > http://wrongkindofgreen.org/2011/10/21/occupy-wall-street-and-the-american-autumn-is-it-a-colored-revolution/ This guy went around the bend long ago. He's into HAARP, 9/11 Truth, all the idiocy.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 25 08:11:06 PDT 2011

1026 [lbo-talk] OWS Demands working group: jobs for all! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 25, 2011, at 8:52 AM, SA wrote: > On 10/25/2011 8:38 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> NEW MEASURES OF THE COSTS OF UNEMPLOYMENT: EVIDENCE FROM THE SUBJECTIVE WELL-BEING OF 2.3 MILLION AMERICANS John F. Helliwell Haifang Huang Working Paper 16829 http://www.nber.org/papers/w16829 ,,, > > Or, if you just want a factoid: > > https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/econ/Durlauf/networkweb1/London/frustratedachievers.pdf > >> Blanchflower and Oswald find that in most >> cou ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 25 05:58:22 PDT 2011

1027 [lbo-talk] OWS Demands working group: jobs for all! -- rank: 1000

On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:45 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > ha! I can safely say that being unemployed for a year was the best > time of my life. Places to go, things to do, a garden to grow. it was > fanfuckingtastic! I guess that's just another way in which you're so extraordinary! NEW MEASURES OF THE COSTS OF UNEMPLOYMENT: EVIDENCE FROM THE SUBJECTIVE WELL-BEING OF 2.3 MILLION AMERICANS John F. Helliwell Haifang Huang Working Paper 16829 http://www.nber.org/papers/w16829 ,,, Di Tella et a ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 25 05:38:04 PDT 2011

1028 [lbo-talk] On Theorizing the Demand for Demands -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Mike Beggs wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >> >> [From Wikipedia, alas] >> >> Anarchist anthropologist David Graeber has distinguished the two philosophies as follows: >> >> Marxism has tended to be a theoretical or analytical discourse about revolutionary strategy. >> Anarchism has tended to be an ethical discourse about revolutionary practice > > ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 18:28:44 PDT 2011

1029 [lbo-talk] On Theorizing the Demand for Demands -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:00 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote: > somebody promise to wake me up before I shit the bed. Why do that? I'd find the spectacle amusing. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 18:08:09 PDT 2011

1030 [lbo-talk] On Theorizing the Demand for Demands -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Mike Beggs wrote: > Incidentally, I don't at all see the important dividing line as being > between Marxists and anarchists, but between people who think > strategically about social change on the one hand and ultraleftists > and other narcissists on the other. There are marxists and anarchists > on both sides of that divide, and 'radical liberals' too. [From Wikipedia, alas] Anarchist anthropologist David Graeber has distinguished the two philosophies ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 17:50:24 PDT 2011

1031 [lbo-talk] The Generationally 1% -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:40 PM, Max Sawicky wrote: > You can tax trusts too. You can tax anything. You could even follow their asses offshore if you wanted to. THey just don't want to.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 17:47:28 PDT 2011

1032 [lbo-talk] end of OWS? -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:47:43 -0700 > Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net> wrote: > > >> At this point we have lost the support of allies in the Community >> Board, and the State Senator and city electeds who have been fighting >> the city to stave off our eviction > > This kinda gives the game away, doesn't it? Any time the occupiers > get to feeling they need the goodwill of state senators an ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 17:40:14 PDT 2011

1033 [lbo-talk] The Generationally 1% -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > A wealth tax would just accelerate the incorporation of trusts. No? Switzerland had one for years. Not sure how it worked, but, you know, Switzerland. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 17:17:05 PDT 2011

1034 [lbo-talk] The Generationally 1% -- rank: 1000

On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:55 PM, lbo83235 wrote: > So why is the volatility of income more interesting, explanatorily, than the relative stickiness of wealth inheritance? It's not at all. It's just what we've got data on. We've got data on individual mobility and intergenerational mobility for income. Nothing even close for wealth. Poverty, there was an entire industry devoted to the intergenerational transmission of poverty in the run-up to welfare "reform" in the U.S. Not so much abou ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 14:07:38 PDT 2011

1035 [lbo-talk] The Generationally 1% -- rank: 1000

> Fair enough, although I suspect there's an important cleavage between the existence and the availability of "data." *Somebody* knows, or could know if they thought it mattered to maintaining their dominance, but we're not yet organised enough to make that compelling for them. Another reason to want a wealth tax - better data. > I happen to be related, by marriage, to the 1% (probably even to the 0.1%, but who's counting?) and my sense is that the dissipation is only partial, an ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 24 13:33:25 PDT 2011