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241 Told You So -- rank: 1000

At 17/11/01 16:39 +0000, you wrote: >>Can anyone post the text of Alistair Campbell's letter to the Guardian? >> >>It would be interesting to see how much caution there is in the triumphalism. > >Of course. Here it is: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4299230,00.html > >Why the media are losers >Guardian > >Thursday November 15, 2001 > >I don't suppose Polly Toynbee will thank me for saying it, but her column >got as close ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 17 11:33:56 PST 2001

242 Told You So -- rank: 1000

At 17/11/01 07:17 -0500, you wrote: >A nice little rebuff to the I-Told-You-So and Ha-Ha-Ha crowd. > ><http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,596365,00.html>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,596365,00.html > >DP Can anyone post the text of Alistair Campbell's letter to the Guardian? It would be interesting to see how much caution there is in the triumphalism. Chris Burford -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 17 08:27:30 PST 2001

243 Arguments for ground war - forget it -- rank: 1000

At 16/11/01 16:33 -0800, you wrote: >>Of course the war was not legitimate. Of course in a world in which there >>are such inequalities of wealth and power, a counterattack was illegitimate. > > >So we should have gone to visit the homes of the dishwashers at Windows on >the World killed on September 11, and told their wives, husbands, and >children that "Because the United States is a rich and powerful country, >it would be illegitimate to take any steps to fo ...

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Date:	Sat Nov 17 00:23:09 PST 2001

244 Arguments for ground war - forget it -- rank: 1000

At 16/11/01 18:37 +0200, Hakki wrote: >Anything we say will be hogwash, >nuts, or worse. Well its ironic that Hakki should suggest we forget these arguments just when revisiting the exchanges that started on 1st November would be really instructive, and just when, to the embarrassment of the Brits, apparently the Northern Alliance does not want our soldiers who have just arrived at Bagram. And on the same day that Schroeder almost had to resign in order to contribute German troops. Hakki s ...

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Date:	Fri Nov 16 15:56:39 PST 2001

245 Arguments for ground war -- rank: 1000

Now that a combination of air bombing and ground troops has produced a qualitative change in the war which has almost certainly shortened the war, it is worth reviewing the question of tactics and strategy of the left. The hegemons will be riding very high at the moment and the overall perception will be that they were always going to be triumphant. One leftist strategic option is to confine comments to a propaganda level, denouncing the evils always inherent in capitalism, and winning a few mor ...

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Date:	Thu Nov 15 23:27:52 PST 2001

246 weakening US hegemonism -- rank: 1000

Gordon wrote Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:45:09 -0500 >I'll ask instead whether weakening U.S. hegemonism will accomplish very >much if Capital prevails regardless, which it seems very likely to do >however the present American adventures turn out. Yes, the fat cop may be >demoted; but their are other cops in the precinct, some of whom may be >even nastier than f.c. > >-- Gordon Let me respond to Gordon's question this way: We have to eat a meal mouthful by mouthful. In terms of prac ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 14 16:03:52 PST 2001

247 9-11 as crime -- rank: 1000

At 11/11/01 18:35 -0600, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> > > >IMO the peace movement must avoid pacifism. That requires articulation of > >appropriate demands for global governance. > > >Which class should we demand govern the globe, in your opinion? > >lp That class which as a first step must win the battle of democracy. Chris Burford

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Date:	Sun Nov 11 23:22:48 PST 2001

248 LBO web updates -- rank: 1000

At 11/11/01 17:20 -0800, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Burford" <cburford at gn.apc.org> >To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> >Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 12:33 PM >Subject: Re: LBO web updates > > > > Yet in the > > final analysis the grounds for being optimistic for any of us are if we > > believe the human tendencies towards cooperation are greater than those > > towards conflict. > > > > ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 11 16:03:47 PST 2001

249 LBO web updates -- rank: 1000

At 11/11/01 12:34 -0500, Doug wrote: >* "Blows against Empire," a review of Hardt and Negri's Empire. ><http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Empire.html>. >They conclude the book by invoking "love, simplicity, and also innocence" >and "the irrepressible lightness and joy of being communist." One wants to >say, "oh how romantic, how archaic, how deluded, how impractical," but >it's so beautiful that it's best to leave it at that, for ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 11 12:33:21 PST 2001

250 9-11 as crime -- rank: 1000

At 10/11/01 11:57 -0800, you wrote: >Friday, Nov. 9, 2001 >World Court Should Hear Sept. 11 Case - Goldstone > > >WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former chief prosecutor for the U.N. war crimes >tribunal Richard Goldstone said on Friday the perpetrators of the >Sept. 11 attacks on America should be tried in an international court >rather than on U.S. soil. Very important progressive argument. IMO the peace movement must avoid pacifism. That requires articulation of appropriate dem ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 11 12:25:03 PST 2001

251 Taliban - their social background -- rank: 1000

At 07/11/01 14:08 -0500, you wrote: >The Taliban have to be one of the stranger social formations anyone has >seen in a long time. Here's a passage from Ahmed Rashid's book (pp. >32-33). Am I missing something, or is the complete absence of women from >their lives getting no attention in the big media? > >Doug Other posts suggest a picture in which sensual pleasure is restricted and sublimated in a male militaristic camaraderie. Chris Burford

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Date:	Wed Nov 7 15:56:12 PST 2001

252 Bush compares Taliban to Communist regimes -- rank: 1000

At 07/11/01 00:50 -0500, you wrote: >Bush compares Taliban to Communist regimes > >- - - - - - - - - - - - >By SCOTT LINDLAW > >Nov. 6, 2001 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- > >President Bush on Tuesday compared Afghanistan's Taliban regime and its "mad >global ambitions" ... There is a grain of materialist truth in this. Muslim fundamentalism has an element of the pan-African, pan-Arabian, now pan-Muslim form of national bourgeois resistance to colonialism and neo-colon ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 6 23:32:17 PST 2001

253 Bush, bin Laden and the CIA -- rank: 1000

Tuesday;s Newsnight on BBC led with a scoop >The US administration has been trying to track down Osama bin Laden for >years. But were all possible avenues explored ? Indeed, before September >11th were the FBI blocked from investigating anything that came too close >to Saudi Royal family or Bin Laden family interests? We have a special >report. Answer: Yes! Background details about the close links between Bush senior and Bush junior with Saudi capital. The story about a plane taki ...

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Date:	Tue Nov 6 16:36:04 PST 2001

254 Blame It on Sept. 11, also said Jo Moore -- rank: 1000

At 05/11/01 21:44 -0500, you wrote: >Blame It on Sept. 11, Say Scores of Struggling Firms > >Business: Economists caution that there's often no way to tell if terror is >to blame for losses. > >By JAMES BATES , Times Staff Writer >Los Angeles Times >November 5, 2001 This essentially is also the instinct that almost cost the job of Jo Moore, publicity officer to the Trade and Industry secretary in Britain, who had written an internal email about an hour after the WTC attac ...

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Date:	Mon Nov 5 23:14:05 PST 2001

255 Berlin coalition possibilities -- rank: 1000

Excellent description from Frankfurter Allgemeine of German pragmatic politics over coalitions in general and the Berlin coalition in particular. http://www.faz.com/IN/INtemplates/eFAZ/archive.asp?doc={4B6DFC19-0220-4A20-8050-387138A223BF}&width=800&height=572&agt=netscape&ver=4&svr=4.7 The article explains why the national SPD leadership wants to influence the result but not too prominently. Additional points I have picked up: There is personal antipathy between the leader o ...

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Date:	Thu Nov 1 14:58:50 PST 2001