en-us http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:59:28 GMT Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:59:28 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011220.html wrote: > > Wojtek is the citizen of a Schengen country. As such, > he enjoys all the privileges of free mobility within > Fortress Europe. [WS:] Actually, I have dual citizenship US and Polish, but I have been living in the US for the past twenty seven or so years. Most of my professional and personal relations are here - so my freedom to move to EU is mostly hypothetical - an option only in the worst case (an unlikely) scenario (e.g. something comparable to roundups in the post 1933 Germany.) I have all the global mobility I need (well outside the EU) with my US passport, and the Schengen agreement is quite irrelavent to my situation. So what does Schengen have to do with the price of tea in China? > Instead, either due to ignorance or dishonesty, they > spread the lie of a European welfare-statism > (effectively abolished in Germany in 2004) and > multiculturalism (cf. Fortress Europe). > --- snip [WS:] As I unde]]> Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:45:37 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011219.html > The supposed point is that this higher than normal percentage support in the >> primary will be the harbinger, if properly worked, to a substantially larger >> black turnout in the main election (and thus the possibility of winning a >> couple of southern states where blacks make up a a quarter or a third of the >> electorate). > > But remember that black (and youth) turnout was up no more than other > demographic groups'. Yes that's true. But that's a point about primary turnout. IIUC, black participation normally declines drastically between the primary and the presidential election in the deep south because it's so pointless and depressing. And the point of this line of argument is that if it departed from the historical pattern by simply maintaining its primary percentage participation levels into the general election (because blacks were excited and persuaded themselves to hope that this might for once not be pointless and could actual]]> Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:07:58 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011218.html Also,if you like a mystery, he is probably the most mysterious American writer of the 20th century.  May be, Traven was not so american at all. When his first books have been published in the 1920s in german in Germany in the publishing houses of the unions and the social democracy the debate about his identity began. Kurt Tucholsky wrote in 1930: "... he fall victim of his class position. This proletarian never learned good german. First I thought his books to be translated, poorly translated. But it is ignorance, combined with elements of bad american slang. But nevertheless and taken the whole thing: a great story teller. Surely not a nice neighbour, surely not a happy person. But a great story teller." Rolf Recknagel later showed, that "B. Traven" was the man, wich in time of WWI published in Munich a journal "Der Ziegelbrenner" and used in this time for himself the name "Ret Marut". He was an anarchist and had to escape Germany after the defeat of the Munich republic of workers a]]> Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:27:32 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011217.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:21:20 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011216.html Since I can only take Wojtek and Dennis at their own > word, I assume they really are advocates of a sort of authoritarian > minimal welfare-state reserved for white people Not at all. It's possible to criticize Eurocapitalism while celebrating universal health insurance, state pensions, immigration, strong unions, mass parties and independent public media systems as achievements of the Euroleft. -- DRR]]> Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:19:40 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011215.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:33:31 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011214.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:18:34 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011213.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:13:00 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011212.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:49:57 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011211.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:14:06 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011210.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:48:29 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011209.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:29:28 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011208.html wrote: > > Wojtek is the citizen of a Schengen country. As such, > he enjoys all the privileges of free mobility within > Fortress Europe. > > The idealization of Europe, and especially the Federal > Republic of Germany, on the part of residents (Wojtek) > and citizens (Dennis R.) of the U.S. is just getting > to be too much. > > I would tolerate it more if Wojtek and Dennis would > openly speak the language of conservative Kulturkritik > and praise the cultural vitality and racial > superiority of European Kulturvölker against the > mongrel degeneracy of Yankee Coca-Cola and McDonalds > society. > > At least then they would be openly positioning > themselves within a centuries old tradition of > reactionary conservative sentiment that find its > adequate expressio]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:24:30 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011207.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:10:32 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011206.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:54:40 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011205.html And you're right, it would be 90+% Dem this time no matter who > won. The supposed point is that this higher than normal percentage > support in the primary will be the harbinger, if properly worked, > to a substantially larger black turnout in the main election (and > thus the possibility of winning a couple of southern states where > blacks make up a a quarter or a third of the electorate). But remember that black (and youth) turnout was up no more than other demographic groups'. Dems in general are more fired up. Just heard my in-laws (whom I love dearly) making amusing excuses for Obama's Barackflip (thank you NY Post) on public financing. Doug]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:48:32 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011204.html this is a test ... of what truths you hold to be > self-evident x commodity A = y commodity B M-C-M']]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:40:18 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011203.html To suggest otherwise would be being soft on > Ausländerhaß. Wojtek is the citizen of a Schengen country. As such, he enjoys all the privileges of free mobility within Fortress Europe. The idealization of Europe, and especially the Federal Republic of Germany, on the part of residents (Wojtek) and citizens (Dennis R.) of the U.S. is just getting to be too much. I would tolerate it more if Wojtek and Dennis would openly speak the language of conservative Kulturkritik and praise the cultural vitality and racial superiority of European Kulturvölker against the mongrel degeneracy of Yankee Coca-Cola and McDonalds society. At least then they would be openly positioning themselves within a centuries old tradition of reactionary conservative sentiment that find its adequate expression today in the Nouvelle Droit. Instead, either due to ignorance or dishonesty, they spread the lie of a European welfare-statism (effectively abolished in Germany in 2004) and multiculturalism (cf. Fortr]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:22:00 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011202.html wrote: > > His name is Wojtek, not Wotjek. If I wanted to be snotty, I would say something about historic German attitudes to their Eastern neighbors. Ok, I will -- be honest with yourself Anlegus, you can't get Wojtek's name right because you think anything east of Germany is beneath you, so there is no need to bother learning how to spell their funny names. :) To suggest otherwise would be being soft on Ausländerhaß. -- Andy]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:18:50 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011201.html wrote: > this is a test ... of what truths you hold to be self-evident (if any). I > thought that it might be appropriate holiday fare. I think it's self-evident that I shouldn't have had that chocolate chip cookie before the hot Italian sausage. -- Andy]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:48:28 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011199.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:39:52 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011197.html wrote: > > But do not worry , Jesus died for your sins, and no Commie > Atheist can > do harm to thee, as long as you deny the existence of all > vulgar and > earthly nature, the filthy world of beasts, the Devil's > playground, and > uphold the super-natural in thee above your sinful natural > desires and > inclinations. This world is all a dream, not real. > That's why no one has > ever had contact with "reality itself" > > ^^^^ > > > This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl > plc. www.surfcontrol.com > ___________________________________ > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:39:50 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011198.html Aha! Heim ins Reich! > > --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Angelus Novus > wrote: >> >> Nonsense, I love Poland so much, I want it to share a >> border with France (as the old 1990s Antifa demo chant >> goes). > Home to the realm! Home on the realm? Like a cowboy song? Are you doing a 'friday'? We hold these truths to be self-evident ... How did you get jordans server to insert your 'reply-to' address? martin]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:30:46 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011196.html >> Chris Dosein The accursed followers of the foul Foucault, having turned their back on the Holy Light of the Divine Trinity Marx-Engels-Feuerbach ^^^^^ CB: What about Lenin ? Quartet ? ^^^ and embraced the contemptible heresy of Postmodernism-Arianism-Idealism ( and Heidegger in the Magical Mystery Tour of the Dasein ), will never enter the Shining Future of Communism that awaits the faithful. Nay, they shall be cast down into the very pit, to burn in materialist hellfire for all eternity, their screams of repentance and pain sweet music for the ears of His Saints But do not worry , Jesus died for your sins, and no Commie Atheist can do harm to thee, as long as you deny the existence of all vulgar and earthly nature, the filthy world of beasts, the Devil's playground, and uphold the super-natural in thee above your sinful natural desires and inclinations. This world is all a dream, not real. That's why no one has ever had contact with "reality itself" ^^^^ This message has been sca]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:00:18 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011195.html wrote: > > Nonsense, I love Poland so much, I want it to share a > border with France (as the old 1990s Antifa demo chant > goes). > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:54:45 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011194.html you can't get Wojtek's name right because you think > anything east of Germany is beneath you Nonsense, I love Poland so much, I want it to share a border with France (as the old 1990s Antifa demo chant goes).]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:42:36 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011193.html wrote: > > Be honest with yourself Wotjek, what you really prefer > is an authoritarian welfare state that deports brown > people. > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:41:14 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011192.html wrote: > [ ... ] what about 'police state'? I have only > ever visited > > the US once in my life, but I never heard so many > sirens > > before as I did there. > > I don't know where you visited, but in most big US > cities Fire/EMS calls > outnumber significant police calls by something like a > factor of 5. > Almost every callout for them is a "code 3" > response -- full lights and > sirens -- because it's usually a matter of > someone's well-being at > stake. On the other hand, the vast majority of police call > outs are not > with such urgency, and thus would be made without running > the siren. > Why do "firemen" spend so much of their time on > medical calls? I think > we all know the reason for that: regular preventative care > would remove > the necessity for many 'emergencies' that get > handled by the fire > department. > > You were most likely hearing fire engines, not police cars. [WS:] True. Cops use helicopte]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:37:38 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011191.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:32:29 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011190.html but lately something just snapped in me. There were > several precipatating factors > my recent visit to Germany Tomorrow marks the 15th anniversary of the abolition of the right to asylum in Germany. Be honest with yourself Wotjek, what you really prefer is an authoritarian welfare state that deports brown people.]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:10:06 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011189.html Still, his failure (or was it that of those on > his staff advocating a bailout to the > center/right?) to anticipate and/or take into > consideration the effect of these moves on his > more liberal supporters, and make his more > nuanced position statements PRIOR to the > following furor, tells me that he is tossing > them "under the bus" as the contemporary phrase > goes. He (and his staff) must have know what > the reaction would be, don't you think? If the > answer is no, isn't that an indication that he > doesn't care any longer for their support? And > if you say yes, then he is doubly damned. Obama has cleared the primary and entered the general election in a two-party state. Those of us who won't vote McCain*, don't matter anymore. If we had the extra-party organization to pressure him, it could be different. But we don't, and the "netroots" aren't cutting it. The lack of such organization is exactly why Adolph Reed and others called it before the primary s]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:56:12 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011188.html ...... Which leads to a question: just how 'empowered' will this "independent monitor" be to prevent abuses? Perhaps the ACLU has the answer: The FISA Amendments Act: * Gives the president broad new powers to spy on innocent ]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:53:58 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011187.html This was interesting and mildly heartening. Still, his failure (or was it that of those on his staff advocating a bailout to the center/right?) to anticipate and/or take into consideration the effect of these moves on his more liberal supporters, and make his more nuanced position statements PRIOR to the following furor, tells me that he is tossing them "under the bus" as the contemporary phrase goes. He (and his staff) must have know what the reaction would be, don't you think? If the answer is no, isn't that an indication that he doesn't care any longer for their support? And if you say yes, then he is doubly damned. - Bill Max B. Sawicky wrote: > Michael Pollak wrote: >> >> http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/commentary >> >> ___________________________________ >> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk >> >> > > This was interesting and mildly heartening. > > But with the latest Iraq statements, I'm having trouble seeing daylight > between >]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:08:19 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011186.html wrote: > From: shag > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Power (Waiting for Foucault) > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 11:49 AM > you, charles, joanna, and others who constantly babble on in > substanceless > ways re: the EBil Poe Moe remind me of students' common > love of stroking > their opinion. it's this weird frotteurism. i have my > opinion, damn it. i > don't have to have an argument that backs up my > criticisms. i have an > opinion on it, and he's wrong. and not only that, my > opinion is sacred > man, sacred. i have a right to whip out my opinion and > stroke it and love > it and rub it all over everyone. see my opinion?! isn't > it the coolest!? ]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:04:17 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011185.html > http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/commentary > > ___________________________________ > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk > > This was interesting and mildly heartening. But with the latest Iraq statements, I'm having trouble seeing daylight between him and McCain on Iraq. (Washington Post lead story, this morning)]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:10:53 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011184.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:49:17 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011183.html The idea that reason and ]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:07:30 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011182.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:45:09 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011181.html [ ... ] what about 'police state'? I have only ever visited > the US once in my life, but I never heard so many sirens > before as I did there. I don't know where you visited, but in most big US cities Fire/EMS calls outnumber significant police calls by something like a factor of 5. Almost every callout for them is a "code 3" response -- full lights and sirens -- because it's usually a matter of someone's well-being at stake. On the other hand, the vast majority of police call outs are not with such urgency, and thus would be made without running the siren. Why do "firemen" spend so much of their time on medical calls? I think we all know the reason for that: regular preventative care would remove the necessity for many 'emergencies' that get handled by the fire department. You were most likely hearing fire engines, not police cars. /jordan]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:45:02 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011180.html wrote: > > >So people who think he has something to offer don't > know the error of > >their ways and need to led back to..... where? > > > >^^^ > >CB: I didn't characterize Foucault followers that > way. > > > Ok. So they're not dupes, but followers? > > > ___________________________________ > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:04:48 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011179.html wrote: > Yes this is its main function, isn't it?. In fact fascist states do > tend to spend a bit on social services. Here in South Africa, social > services, especially for whites, were actually quite big under > apartheid. But coming back to the US, I presume you are looking for a > descriptive term, rather than a theoretical one (with a capital 'T'). > Well then, what about 'police state'? I have only ever visited the US > once in my life, but I never heard so many sirens before as I did > there. As somebody here has pointed out, nobody is going to get arrested for participating in this list. I was thinking about this during that pre-rum bike ride the other weekend, looking at people walking to the beach, cars passing relaxedly. Is this what the highest incarceration rate in the world looks like? A military-worshipping culture outspending the rest of the human universe in weaponry? I find it hard to grasp for compar]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:26:23 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011178.html writes: > See > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/arts/03camp.html?em&ex=1215316800&en=5e 228fa7931e1723&ei=5087%0A > > Joanna As Louis Proyect has suggested, we shouldn't ignore the fact that university faculties increasingly consist of adjunct professors, most of whom will never get tenure. That is something that is likely to discourage most people from taking outspoken political positions that might be detrimental to their continued employment in academia. Jim F. ____________________________________________________________ Enter for Your Chance to WIN* The TotalBeauty.com Summer Spa Sweepstakes! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7UfhTQ99gMK0fNOLdfjWL30PoNQ13V5pJewkgBjVgq3xdQp/]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:44:22 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011177.html >> 07/04/08 2:59 AM >>> From: shag Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Power (Waiting for Foucault) so why should it be so strange to claim that reason and violence are bound up together, when freudian theory (last i checked anyway) tended to see eros and thanatos as bound up together? The idea that reason and violence are bound up together is not at all 'wrong', it's banal, or should be by now (Hegel etc). The point is rather what sort of philosophical framework you want to embed this proposition in. But if, instead, you want to try and base a whole political philsophy around such a proposition you're going to end up with one that glorifies irrationality. But then you must be prepared to align yourself with Nietzsche and the nazi Heiddegger, 'cos that's where all this shit is coming from (especially Heidegger). Some of us think there are other roads to follow than those. And BTW it's pointless reading through a writer's entire oeuvre if]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:12:04 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011176.html >> 07/03/08 11:35 PM >>> From: Dennis Claxton Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Power (Waiting for Foucault) At 01:24 PM 7/3/2008, Charles Brown wrote: >It does seem like he leads a lot of social theory astray; Now we might be getting down to brass tacks. What do you mean by astray? >>and maybe that he's having fun messing with people's minds. So people who think he has something to offer don't know the error of their ways and need to led back to..... where? The really awful point about all this stuff is revealed here with complete clarity. It is not so much whether Foucault was right or wrong about this or that, the point is rather than whenever he is at issue you get really crap debates. Have we reached the nadir? It can't get worse than this can it? (Oh yes it can!) Perhaps a little suggestion then: Why don't we get back to the real brass tacks? What do these texts have to offer us politically? I asked this earlier in connectio]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:54:51 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011175.html >> 07/03/08 8:11 PM >>> From: Wojtek Sokolowski Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Americans respond to $4 gas: drill drill drill!; onIraq, confused [WS:] Not at all. Authoritarian state - perhaps, This is the opposite of the "nanny state" which I presume is a state that spends a good chunk of money on social services (say 25 - 30% of the GDP, which is the EU norm nowadays). An authoritarian state (like the US) does not spend much on social services, but spends quite a bit on the military, the police, prisons, and corporate handouts and bailouts. Yes this is its main function, isn't it?. In fact fascist states do tend to spend a bit on social services. Here in South Africa, social services, especially for whites, were actually quite big under apartheid. But coming back to the US, I presume you are looking for a descriptive term, rather than a theoretical one (with a capital 'T'). Well then, what about 'police state'? I have only ]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:45:41 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011174.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:32:44 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011173.html Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:01:34 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011172.html On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, shag wrote: > >>so, why is 90% support for obama supposed to be impressive again? > >Because it happened in the Dem primary -- normally the black vote is split >more there. It's in the November Dem/Rep election that black support is >always 90+ Democratic since 1964. > ><...> > >Michael as i recall, the percentage of black support for clinton was right up there around 90% before obama made strides. no one would countered criticisms of clinton (had she maintained the lead) and said, "vote clinton because 90% blacks support her" but otherwise, yes, yes. but the percentage black support in the presidential election has never been used as a reason to vote for kerry or gore or clinton. no one here ever seems to think that, b/c 90% blacks support gore, then everyone must vote for gore rather than a third party candidate or not vote at all. nor has anyone attributed any special meaning -- in terms of degrees of progressivity in]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:55:58 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011200.html > > if you've ever heard or use the expression "intense" to describe > someone, > what do you think it means? i actually just described a co-worker this way this week, as a nicer way of saying that they're high-strung, hard ti be around.]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:45:36 GMT http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20080630/011171.html Michael]]>